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Date Posted: 12:38:31 05/07/02 Tue
Author: Chazman
Subject: NGs mixed message instruction and mis-matched mechanics
In reply to: Jerry 's message, "NG does teach that the body moves first" on 20:52:23 05/06/02 Mon

>It could be that is where you went wrong. I am not
>sure if your Jones idea has the body moving first.
>Also beleive that NG does use much leverage, while
>Jones does not. So that seems to another discrepancy
>in your master universal plan.

My "Master Universal Plan" is to reveal the truth about this new swing and show it for what it is, which is not what is advertised.

Jones literally taught that the hands lead and control the swing and the rest of the body parts naturally follow the swinging motion. NG with their NEW swing is NOT teaching one to have the body move first, quite the contrary they are stating the same exact stuff that Jones does, hands and arms swing independently of the body, and the body naturally follows.

Herein lies the faulty instruction on their part, they preach hands and arms, yet slow motion video clearly shows that Moe and most of the "poster boy" NCGIs are not swinging that way, but are powering thier swings with body motion, in Moe's case a full three video frames before his hands and arms ever start down.

Another problems is, if you are going to try and successfully perform Jones STC, it is best done with a narrow stance and a neutral Vardon finger grip to facilitate the free hinging of the wrists. A wide stance and strong trail hand palm grip inhibits that!

>
>The body moves in anticipation of the arms swing. Is
>that stc?

No! Ernest Jones only had one leg, and shot a round in the sixties playing on only one leg, try and swing the club standing on one leg with lower body movement and see if you don't fall on your face. Jones quite literally meant the hands LEAD, and body follows. If done that way the downswing will appear to have the lower body and hands and arms moving simultaneously on the downswing, Arnie Frankel (the last pure STC disciple) on his tapes exhibits that!

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You are wrong!! NG says that the body moves first -- Jerry, 17:22:05 05/07/02 Tue
- Better get on the same page as the NG Magazine -- Chazman, 18:59:33 05/07/02 Tue
  - You make it mean what you want,.... -- Jerry, 20:45:04 05/07/02 Tue
    - Show me anywhere in any of their magazine articles that -- Chazman, 12:24:11 05/08/02 Wed
      - You do some digging -- Jerry, 18:24:22 05/08/02 Wed
        to chazman -- jomo, 00:18:42 05/09/02 Thu
        I'm here to spread the word of Caveat Emptor -- Chazman, 01:19:01 05/09/02 Thu
        Re: I'm here to spread the word of Caveat Emptor -- jomo, 01:43:45 05/09/02 Thu
      - Magazine article Proof for Chazman -- Dave Brown, 11:06:41 05/09/02 Thu
        Chazman can't handle proof Dave -- Jerry, 15:29:32 05/13/02 Mon
Chazman.....NG says body move before arms. -- Ty, 18:09:52 05/07/02 Tue

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