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Date Posted: 18:42:19 04/29/03 Tue
Author: Dane96
Subject: Interesting talk about Conference re-alignment
This is a link to the Siena board (not sure if this is breaking rules or something). Interesting link as to what may happen w/ major conference realignment. Written by someone down at Temple. Take a read!
http://www.arborwood.com/awforums/show-topic-1.php?start=1&fid=7155&taid=1&topid=747&ut=1051636928
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Re: Interesting talk about Conference re-alignment -- BUfan2, 13:25:53 05/07/03 Wed
Good article in today's Boston Globe on possible changes to the Big East/ACC based on football. Interesting speculation.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/127/sports/Greener_pastures_Never+.shtml
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Re: Interesting talk about Conference re-alignment -- buhoops, 15:48:41 05/07/03 Wed
Even better article, IMHO, at http://www.sportsline.com/collegebasketball/story/6356329
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Re: Interesting talk about Conference re-alignment -- BUfan2, 07:51:21 05/10/03 Sat
For those interested, another Boston Globe story about possible relignment in the Big East. Mentions Hofstra as a possible basketball-only member.
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/130/sports/Gavitt_hopes_to_be_part_of_solution+.shtml
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Re: Interesting talk about Conference re-alignment -- NU Hoop Fan, 23:52:00 04/29/03 Tue
D96 -
Great article. I had lunch with Dave O'Brien a while back and he basically played out the same scenarios for me (not surprising since he used to be at Temple).
I've recast the conferences a few times (the joy of long plane rides to Mexico for work) and the hardest schools to re-slot are UMass, URI, and Richmond.
If things fall where they may and UMass and URI get stuck (I don't see them hooking up with the CAA/Big East schools, and the A-10 may disappear as we know it, and since they have football, there may be an issue with affiliations on their part) there are two logical homes.. the CAA and the AE. The CAA could wind up a big winner (it could mend a ton of fences with Richmond, if it wanted to) but it could get its 16 team league that's Mr. Yaeger's vision as follows:
This is a pie in the sky thing, but...
CAA North
NU
UMass
URI
Hofstra
Drexel
Delaware
Towson
GWU
CAA South
W&M
VCU
GMU
Charleston
JMU
ODU
Wilmington
Richmond
AE North
Maine
UVM
UNH
BU
Hartford
Albany
AE West
Stony Brook
Binghamton
UMBC
Duquesne
St. Bonnie's
Buffalo - probably won't be D-1 football for long
The CAA has an 9 team fooball league, and the AE would have 6 if Duquesne upgrades (UNH, Maine, Albany, SBU, Buffalo, Duquesne).
This is one of my scenarios, I have others, but this one is more logical than the others..
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Re: Interesting talk about Conference re-alignment -- mainejeff, 01:08:30 04/30/03 Wed
>D96 -
>
>Great article. I had lunch with Dave O'Brien a while
>back and he basically played out the same scenarios
>for me (not surprising since he used to be at Temple).
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>I've recast the conferences a few times (the joy of
>long plane rides to Mexico for work) and the hardest
>schools to re-slot are UMass, URI, and Richmond.
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>If things fall where they may and UMass and URI get
>stuck (I don't see them hooking up with the CAA/Big
>East schools, and the A-10 may disappear as we know
>it, and since they have football, there may be an
>issue with affiliations on their part) there are two
>logical homes.. the CAA and the AE. The CAA could
>wind up a big winner (it could mend a ton of fences
>with Richmond, if it wanted to) but it could get its
>16 team league that's Mr. Yaeger's vision as follows:
>
>This is a pie in the sky thing, but...
>
>CAA North
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>NU
>UMass
>URI
>Hofstra
>Drexel
>Delaware
>Towson
>GWU
>
>CAA South
>W&M
>VCU
>GMU
>Charleston
>JMU
>ODU
>Wilmington
>Richmond
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>AE North
>
>Maine
>UVM
>UNH
>BU
>Hartford
>Albany
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>AE West
>
>Stony Brook
>Binghamton
>UMBC
>Duquesne
>St. Bonnie's
>Buffalo - probably won't be D-1 football for long
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>The CAA has an 9 team fooball league, and the AE would
>have 6 if Duquesne upgrades (UNH, Maine, Albany, SBU,
>Buffalo, Duquesne).
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>This is one of my scenarios, I have others, but this
>one is more logical than the others..
That's about as logical as Northeastern in the Big East.....Maine and UNH will be players in any 1-AA football movement among Eastern schools. They are too established and valuable (in terms of scheduling), and they have a pretty broad overall sports program.
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Re: Interesting talk about Conference re-alignment -- Josh, 08:13:32 04/30/03 Wed
Buffalo will never join the AE. For one thing, they don't even think that they're part of New York State. For the last 10 years they've done everything in their power to make it clear that they consider themselves a "midwestern" school.
They've poured millions upon millions of dollars into what is arguebly the worst Division I-A football team in the nation. Their attendance is as awful as their teams have been, and still they persist.
Of course they acknowledge that they're part of the New York State system when it comes to sucking as much money as they can out of the NY State legislature.
They would never be "team players" in AE. Who needs them (and if you get to know more about them, who would want them?).
Josh (SB alum)
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>AE North
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>Maine
>UVM
>UNH
>BU
>Hartford
>Albany
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>AE West
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>Stony Brook
>Binghamton
>UMBC
>Duquesne
>St. Bonnie's
>Buffalo - probably won't be D-1 football for long
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>The CAA has an 9 team fooball league, and the AE would
>have 6 if Duquesne upgrades (UNH, Maine, Albany, SBU,
>Buffalo, Duquesne).
>
>This is one of my scenarios, I have others, but this
>one is more logical than the others..
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A-10 and CAA will have to decide whether or not offer FB -- BigE, 14:18:48 04/30/03 Wed
The A-10 could sponsor FB while the CAA could become the a FB conference and the realignment could look like this:
ATLANTIC TEN CONFERENCE
SOUTHERN DIVISION
>WILLIAM & MARY
>JMU
>DELAWARE
>TOWSON
>HOFSTRA
>RICHMOND
NORTHERN DIVISION
>UMASS
>URI
>MAINE
>FORDHAM
>NEW HAMPSHIRE
>NORTHEASTERN
COLONIAL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION
SOUTHERN DIVISION
>VCU
>ODU
>GEORGE MASON
>GEORGE WASHINGTON
>UNC – WILMINGTON
>UNC – GREENSBORO
NORTHERN DIVISION
>ST. JOSEPH’S
>LA SALLE
>ST. BONAVENTURE
>DUQUESNE
>TEMPLE
>DREXEL
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Re: A-10 and CAA will have to decide whether or not offer FB -- mainejeff, 20:52:28 04/30/03 Wed
>The A-10 could sponsor FB while the CAA could become
>the a FB conference and the realignment could look
>like this:
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>ATLANTIC TEN CONFERENCE
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>SOUTHERN DIVISION
>>WILLIAM & MARY
>>JMU
>>DELAWARE
>>TOWSON
>>HOFSTRA
>>RICHMOND
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>NORTHERN DIVISION
>>UMASS
>>URI
>>MAINE
>>FORDHAM
>>NEW HAMPSHIRE
>>NORTHEASTERN
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>COLONIAL ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION
>
>SOUTHERN DIVISION
>>VCU
>>ODU
>>GEORGE MASON
>>GEORGE WASHINGTON
>>UNC – WILMINGTON
>>UNC – GREENSBORO
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>NORTHERN DIVISION
>>ST. JOSEPH’S
>>LA SALLE
>>ST. BONAVENTURE
>>DUQUESNE
>>TEMPLE
>>DREXEL
BigE......This is about the best re-alignment I have seen. It totally makes sense.....which means it will never happen unfortunately.
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Re: A-10 and CAA will have to decide whether or not offer FB -- Dane96, 15:15:36 04/30/03 Wed
All these scenerios look plausible, except I dont see UA and SBU getting left out in the cold. Both schools will not give up football and are doing everything to move to IAA scholarship. Before you see Fordam and Towson leave the Patriot in Football, you will see UA and SBU take their place in your alignment. I actually see Fordam going back to the Patriot for everything, with Towson following suit.
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Re: A-10 and CAA will have to decide whether or not offer FB -- NU Hoop Fan, 15:49:48 04/30/03 Wed
Towson's already left the Patriot for football. They join the A-10 next season.
I think your scenario is plausible, but remember, Temple plays 1-A football, and won't be caught in a non-multi sport conference. Their admission chip to a multi-sport conference is basketball.
Fordham's athletic department is a bit screwed up, so they may need to stay in the PL in the near future.
Also, I think these CAA schools are all bound at the waist with real large departure charges, so unless all hell breaks loose, I can't see the league breaking in half.
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