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Date Posted: 22:47:44 04/12/03 Sat
Author: Cat A. Mount
Subject: Men's Tourney in Vermont? Why not- they earned it
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Cat A.
's message, "Men's Tourney in Vermont? Why not- they earned it" on 22:29:49 04/12/03 Sat
No better place in the America East for the 2004 Men's Tourney than Burlington, Vt., which is a very good tourist destination in New England.
Reasons:
Charter member of the conference which NEVER has hosted the men's tourney.
Excellent hotels, several very close to Patrick Gym.
The best, and most, fans in the conference. Two years straight UVM has had the best attendance and next year they could sell out every game.
Excellent experience hosting America East tourneys (three Women's hoop, several soccer, this year's baseball).
No hockey conflicts.
The media seems to find getting to Burlington easy.
Burlington has an outstanding tourist reputation for any season.
Reasons they won't:
Vermont will be too good, especially at home, and the other AD's and Monasch don't want to give them that edge.
They are counting on UVM fans going anywhere to support their team.
No plastic seats in Patrick Gym. The place has everything else, though. Especially fans, parking and accessability.
It should be either Hartford or Vermont-- and based on attendance, Vermont should get it.
Despite having a nice new arena, is uncertain what Binghamton will draw this season. By letting in hundreds of students free last year, they filled up a 2,200 seat gym. But can they fill a bigger house? You know that the students will not have the best seats in the building like at West Gym, and will they pay to go to the tournament? No freebies in March.
No disrespect for the newcomers, but Vermont has paid their dues.
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Re: Men's Tourney in Vermont? Why not- they earned it -- BearcatFan, 23:02:23 04/13/03 Sun
>Vermont will be too good, especially at home, and the
>other AD's and Monasch don't want to give them that
>edge.
I must disagree with the following point. I think that Monasch would want that edge, especially if they are having a great year. There could be nothing better than having a good team, possibly the best in the conference win the tournament. The few times I have heard Monasch speak, it has always been about what could best help the conference.
He knows full well that having the best team in the conference, especially if they have some good out of conference games win the tournament. Look at BU and Vermont this year. had BU won the bid, the would have probably gotten at worst a 15 seed, maybe a fourteen. With the chance to maybe win or give a good run. Instead we get Arizona and got hammered.
So I would think that UVM is the preseason favorite, should win a lot of games and if they could win the tournament, maybe avoid the #16 seed. Monasch knows this and would probably favor it.
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No higher than 16 if OOC competition is weak -- BUfan2, 07:12:29 04/14/03 Mon
>Look at BU and Vermont this year. Had BU won the bid, they
>would have probably gotten at worst a 15 seed, maybe a >fourteen.
True, but that logic doesn't automatically transfer to UVM. BU was projected a #15 (minimum) seed because of their repectable out of conference performance against high major teams. If UVM continues to play DIII teams, schedule semi-tough OOC games, and win the AE tournament again, there is no way they they will be higher than a 16, even if they win the league undefeated (which most likely won't happen).
With a weak OOC showing, the only way that could happen is if at least three or four AE teams have great years and high (150 or less) RPIs and UVM beats them all. The Preseason NIT is a good start for them. But it remains to be seen how well they will compete there (another blowout as against Arizona won't help). That may be the key to a possible higher seed, IF they should make the NCAAs again.
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NCAA seeds ... who cares, really? -- Cat Fan, 12:14:12 04/14/03 Mon
First off, let's not over look Cat A. Mount's (nice moniker) original argument-- Vermont deserves to host the men's tourney!
Binghamton would be a great place for the women's tournament. New building, new people, it would show their commitment to the conference.
Who cares really what seed you get when you get in the first time? Especially you guys from Binghamton, who would kiss the polluted earth you live on to even be in the play-in game.
It is ridiculous to even argue what seed a one-bid league gets. Unless you are like Penn, they just fill in the rest at 14-to-16, and it really doesn't matter. And this season there were very few if any upsets in the lower conferences, too.
If Vermont got pounded in two guarantee games instead of beating St. Mikes and Middlebury, it would not have mattered. OOC, UVM did OK beating a Mid American team (Eastern Michigan turned out to be as good as or better than Ohio), beat Marist on the road, had a tough loss to Drake and went 3-1 vs Ivy's and NEC (they lost at Harvard without Coppenrath). Then again, very few big teams wanted to schedule Vermont for other guarantee games heading into last season. Same for this year.
The big thing for this league is that they need to win more road games against the other similar conferences in the region: Ivy, Patriot, NEC and MAAC. AE made a big improvement this year but needs to go further next season.
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Re: NCAA seeds ... who cares, really? -- we all should -- BUfan2, 17:19:43 04/14/03 Mon
>First off, let's not over look Cat A. Mount's (nice
>moniker) original argument-- Vermont deserves to host
>the men's tourney!
I wasn't commenting on that part of the post -- if you noticed, I addressed my comments to the poster's point that if UVM got to the NCAAs NEXT season, they would automatically get a higher seed.
>Who cares really what seed you get when you get in the
>first time? Especially you guys from Binghamton, who
>would kiss the polluted earth you live on to even be
>in the play-in game.
If you read the post, it was about NEXT year, not this year's seed. My comments were based on the way the selection committee seeds teams -- it's mightly hard for a conference like the AE to move up from a 16 seed if the team who makes the big dance has a weak out of conference schedule -- that's not my opinion -- it's fact. And I'm not from Binghamton.
>If Vermont got pounded in two guarantee games instead
>of beating St. Mikes and Middlebury, it would not have
>mattered. OOC, UVM did OK beating a Mid American team
>(Eastern Michigan turned out to be as good as or
>better than Ohio), beat Marist on the road, had a
>tough loss to Drake and went 3-1 vs Ivy's and NEC
>(they lost at Harvard without Coppenrath). Then again,
>very few big teams wanted to schedule Vermont for
>other guarantee games heading into last season. Same
>for this year.
Sorry, but Eastern Michigan, Ohio, Drake, Marist, the Ivies, and any NEC team are not the kind of competition that gets you to a 15th or better seed. Yes, I agree 100% that AE teams need to beat teams from these "similar" conferences -- that's essential. However, that wasn't the subject.
>The big thing for this league is that they need to win
>more road games against the other similar conferences
>in the region: Ivy, Patriot, NEC and MAAC. AE made a
>big improvement this year but needs to go further next
>season.
Totally agree.
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