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Subject: Re: Why should boys be stripped?


Author:
spelvin (to Sean)
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Date Posted: 05:27:20 11/22/25 Sat
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In reply to: Ellen 's message, "Re: Why should boys be stripped?" on 22:08:32 11/21/25 Fri


Sean, you wrote,
"We would . . . get erections in front of her all the time."

This may be a nosy question,
but I'm curious:
What could have given you an erection if she saw you naked all the time anyway?

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Author:
spelvin (to Ellen)
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Date Posted: 08:02:48 12/15/25 Mon
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Hello, Ellen!

This is in response to your statement that "every girl should have the opportunity to be around naked boys growing up and every boy should have the opportunity to be naked around girls."

In these days of entitlements,
I think childhood nudity should be listed as an entitlement.
Childhood nudity seems to be commonly regarded as a nice embellishment,
but this is the first time I've heard anyone else say that it is an essential.

I feel very much deprived by not having any memories of swimming with girls naked, playing games with girls naked, talking with girls naked, studying with girls naked, wrestling with girls naked, teasing with girls naked, and hugging and smooching with girls naked.
I think every adult needs such memories.

I think the parents of a boy have the responsibility of making sure plenty of people get to see the boy nude.
When the parents are out for the evening and hiring a babysitter, they should make sure the child is naked "so the babysitter can see how nice you look."
When visitors are expected, they should make sure the child is naked "so the visitors can see how nice you look."
If a boy expresses a crush on a girl his own age, the parents should arrange a play date between the two and make sure the boy is naked they should make sure the child is naked "so she can see how nice you look."
Too many boys grow up not realizing how nice they look with no clothes on.
Boys need to be told, and they need to be constantly reminded.

Schools and child care centers tend to many needs besides reading and writing and 'rithmetic.
They can attend to this need by not requiring children to attend the school or center with clothes on.

Parents of a 3-year-old boy can help by taking their child to the center naked as soon as he is out of diapers.
That way, the child has his first taste of public nudity before he has a chance to develop modesty.
If enough parents do this over a long enough period of time, more and more boys will develop modesty later and later until their modesty disappears completely.

Eventually, elementary school boys, then middle school boys, then high school boys, will want to attend school naked.

You may say, "What about Title IX? You can't make a rule for one gender that you don't make for the other."
You don't have to.
Just write a rule that says that all children are ALLOWED to attend school naked.
In effect, you will get about the same thing.
More boys than girls will want to go to school naked.
As for the children who DON'T want to go to school naked,
more mothers of boys than mothers of girls will make their children go to school naked.
As for the boys who still go to school with clothes on,
they will get ribbed by both the boys and the girls until they also comply.
Before you know it, every class will have 14 girls wearing the latest style sharing their desks with 14 boys with naked penises.

Take a look at any clothing optional setting that preaches gender equality.
You will see that the line between naturism and CFNM is paper thin.

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Author:
scamptoo
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Date Posted: 10:29:40 12/15/25 Mon
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>Hello, Ellen!
>
>This is in response to your statement that "every girl
>should have the opportunity to be around naked boys
>growing up and every boy should have the opportunity
>to be naked around girls."
>
>In these days of entitlements,
>I think childhood nudity should be listed as an
>entitlement.
>Childhood nudity seems to be commonly regarded as a
>nice embellishment,
>but this is the first time I've heard anyone else say
>that it is an essential.
>
>I feel very much deprived by not having any memories
>of swimming with girls naked, playing games with girls
>naked, talking with girls naked, studying with girls
>naked, wrestling with girls naked, teasing with girls
>naked, and hugging and smooching with girls naked.
>I think every adult needs such memories.
>
>I think the parents of a boy have the responsibility
>of making sure plenty of people get to see the boy
>nude.
>When the parents are out for the evening and hiring a
>babysitter, they should make sure the child is naked
>"so the babysitter can see how nice you look."
>When visitors are expected, they should make sure the
>child is naked "so the visitors can see how nice you
>look."
>If a boy expresses a crush on a girl his own age, the
>parents should arrange a play date between the two and
>make sure the boy is naked they should make sure the
>child is naked "so she can see how nice you look."
>Too many boys grow up not realizing how nice they look
>with no clothes on.
>Boys need to be told, and they need to be constantly
>reminded.
>
>Schools and child care centers tend to many needs
>besides reading and writing and 'rithmetic.
>They can attend to this need by not requiring children
>to attend the school or center with clothes on.
>
>Parents of a 3-year-old boy can help by taking their
>child to the center naked as soon as he is out of
>diapers.
>That way, the child has his first taste of public
>nudity before he has a chance to develop modesty.
>If enough parents do this over a long enough period of
>time, more and more boys will develop modesty later
>and later until their modesty disappears completely.
>
>Eventually, elementary school boys, then middle school
>boys, then high school boys, will want to attend
>school naked.
>
>You may say, "What about Title IX? You can't make a
>rule for one gender that you don't make for the other."
>You don't have to.
>Just write a rule that says that all children are
>ALLOWED to attend school naked.
>In effect, you will get about the same thing.
>More boys than girls will want to go to school naked.
>As for the children who DON'T want to go to school
>naked,
>more mothers of boys than mothers of girls will make
>their children go to school naked.
>As for the boys who still go to school with clothes on,
>they will get ribbed by both the boys and the girls
>until they also comply.
>Before you know it, every class will have 14 girls
>wearing the latest style sharing their desks with 14
>boys with naked penises.
>
>Take a look at any clothing optional setting that
>preaches gender equality.
>You will see that the line between naturism and CFNM
>is paper thin.

Nice read. Very interesting take on boy nudity.

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Author:
Ellen
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Date Posted: 14:39:13 12/20/25 Sat
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I definitely think that it’s a necessity both for boys and girls to grow up in a cfnm environment! It keeps boys more well behaved, and evens the playing field with girls a bit. I know I was more motivated to play with boys when they were naked and so were lots of other girls my age. Getting to see my brothers naked all the time really motivated me to spend time with them, playing, talking, hanging out, play wrestling, etc. I agree that as many parents of boys as possible should start enforcing nudity right when they’re out of diapers until they don’t even want to wear clothes anymore just like my brothers.

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spelvin
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Date Posted: 17:49:31 12/20/25 Sat
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Thank you, Ellen.
Your message was very valuable to me.
I have been somewhat unsure of advocating a CFNM environment
because I was afraid that it would cause the boys to go off in one corner
while the girls go off in another corner.
That is what we have seen in photographs of the beach in Victorian times.
Maybe I’m not too radical in proposing CFNM education.
I have wanted to advocate placing each pair of boys and each pair of girls in a desk in the classroom.
That way, the boys and girls could get to learn something about girls and boys, respectively,
but without putting any of the children in an awkward position.
Boys and girls could also be paired for swimming, with one partner practicing floating or stroking
while the other partner offers support.
Male alumni of Red Cross swimming class say that it was embarrassing for a boy to practice floating
while everyone is looking at his penis sticking up out of the water.
They also say that it is was embarrassing to practice kicking and stroking with the teacher holding on to his package.
In a partner system, it might be less traumatic.
They could also be paired for partner dancing, judo, karate, and other activities.
With the boys nude, of course.

A couple of items aroused my curiosity, however.
“It keeps boys more well behaved.”
Why is that?
I would like to think it is NOT because the boys are embarrassed and are afraid to call attention to themselves.
I have a few other explanations, but first, I would like to hear your explanation.

“It evens the playing field.”
What do you mean by that?
Do you think boys are favored through the textile status quo?
Possibly because of their academic ability?
Or do you think girls are favored?
Possibly because of being the teachers’ pets?
And which gender do you think gains through CFNM?
The girls getting to look? Or the boys getting to show?
“I know I was more motivated to play with boys when they were naked and so were lots
of other girls my age.”
Why was that?
I have two hypotheses:
One is that they looked more attractive that way.
The other is that there were no clothes to create a barrier between you and the boys.
Am I right on either of these guesses?

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Ellen
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Date Posted: 12:58:41 12/21/25 Sun
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boys that aren’t used to being naked (like friends my brothers brought over) would definitely be better behaved because they don’t want to draw attention to themselves, but for the boys that are used to it it keeps them well behaved because their nudity is a reminder of their immaturity compared to girls which would make them try and behave better, clothes can also make boys feel trapped and so they act out in response to feeling like they have a lack of freedom, this is what my brothers have told me about their nudity.

I think cfnm also evens the playing field because of the maturity I mentioned above. Clothes represent maturity while nudity represents freedom. Boys are less mature and more free growing up than girls are, and letting boys be clothed can make them disrespectful towards girls because they don’t see their higher maturity compared to them. Keeping them naked reminds them that they’re less mature and they end up a lot nicer to the girls around them. From my perspective I think girls gain more from cfnm but I might be biased, I just get the advantage of seeing naked boys but I don’t experience the gain in freedom boys have from being naked and showing themselves around, so maybe from a boy’s perspective it’s better for them

Your two hypotheses are definitely correct I would love to play with so many different boys so I could see every bit of them, their bare chests, backs, legs, butts, and of course penises and balls. Especially seeing them casually moving around while playing, without a care in the world, I also loved playing with my brothers because I would become incredibly familiar with every part of them, more than any other boy. But also boy’s lack of clothes made them more pleasant to be around, they felt more approachable and definitely respected girls more, so I think you’re right in both ways there

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Author:
Willy to Ellen
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Date Posted: 18:14:12 12/21/25 Sun
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Hi Ellen I agree.I was very respectful towards girls.Being nude highlighted this and made me very aware of my behavior towards girls.As far as maturely goes yes even the younger girls seemed much more mature then us boys.I think perhaps because I couldn't help but feel like a little boy while nude.

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spelvin
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Date Posted: 19:41:35 12/21/25 Sun
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Hello, Willy!

Of all the contributors whom I remember from 206801 and 223876, you are the one whom I least expected to say that you felt immature when you were nude.
I got the impression that your feelings were pure and unamalgamated pride.

Excuse me while I express a couple of more theories:

I betcha the way boys behave when they’re nude in the presence of girls is the way all boys behaved in the presence of girls before our species introduced the despicable custom known as clothes.
When anything artificial is introduced into our lives,
there is no telling what instincts are getting distorted or suppressed.

I also imagine that the boy’s genital display emphasizes his status as a male,
and thus emphasizes his role in relation to girls.
I have read a book which claimed that when puberty sets in,
a boy becomes attracted to whichever gender is opposite the gender with which he identifies.
That is why we often see a boy who plays with girls, dolls, and dollhouses all through childhood and turns gay the minute puberty sets in.

Yet many of us (notably myself) grow up with a handicap because we didn’t have enough experiences with girls early enough.
If I were raising a boy, I would make sure he got plenty of heterosexual experiences.
Any time he expressed a crush on a girl classmate,
I would arrange a playdate with that girl classmate,
along with one or two more boys and one or two more girls so no one would feel awkward---
but under only one condition: the boy will be nude the whole time.

Hello, Ellen!

You are very much like a girl in a novel which I recently wrote.
The novel takes place in Mrs. Stewart’s English class.
The first lesson is on parts of speech.
One of the girls volunteers one of the boys to pose nude the first three days,
thereby demonstrating that the word “nude” could be used as a noun, an adjective, and an adverb.
The class arranges its curriculum around the holidays.
On Halloween, the children go trick-or-treating.
To demonstrate homonyms, the girls wear bear costumes while the boys go bare.

When the class returns from winter break,
the class demonstrates verbs of possession by asking each boy to show a gift which he had received.
For the pleasure of the teacher and the girls, the boys are asked to pose nude.

The girl you remind me of is named Isis.
When Isis’ birthday arrives, the lesson for the day is on prepositions.
Since “for” is a preposition, the class asks Isis what they could do for her.
She responds:

“I like to watch boys because each boy has his own individual style. Every boy walks differently, runs differently, and does everything else differently. And they all move more gracefully when they are nude. So I think watching naked boys is a fine art which should more widely appreciated.

“But I don’t get enough opportunities to see boys pee. But when I do, I enjoy it to its fullest because each boy pee’s just a little bit differently.”

In response to Isis’ request, the boys take their clothes off,
the class walks to the city park across the street,
and the teacher takes a picture of each boy pee’ing.

If you give me your e-mail address, I’ll send the novel to you.

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Willy
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Date Posted: 22:02:15 12/21/25 Sun
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Hello Spelvin been I long time. I think you misunderstand me it wasn't that I felt immature only when I was nude in front of younger girls.I couldn't help be feel they in their swimsuits and with their modesty fully protected seemed more mature than I.

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spelvin
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Date Posted: 15:29:01 12/22/25 Mon
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I hope someone out there is ready for a psychology lesson.
The Transactional Analysts divide the human personality into a mature Parent, a rational Adult, and a helpless and attention-seeking Child.
The Parent is divided into the self-descriptive Critical Parent and Nurturant Parent.

It seems that someone had a CFNM experience with the girls playing a Nurturant Parent role.
In 2010, Tonyforte wrote to the Delphi Forums, describing an Australian children’s home in which he grew up.
The 11-year-old girls were responsible for bathing the the 5-year-old children of both genders, the 12-year-old girls for the 6-year-olds, and so on up until the 17-year-old girls bathing the 11-year-olds.
12-year-olds were trusted to take care of themselves.

Bath time was accompanied with motherly compliments such as "What a fine-looking young man you are!”
"Let's get you nice and clean so you can be super proud of yourself."

Our young protagonist not only became accustomed to the lifestyle of the children’s home, but had some adjusting to do when a loving family took him in.
One time, the womenfolk in! his new family brought clean laundry into his bedroom when he was naked.
They profusely apologized, but he could not understand why they were apologizing.

I hope that when a clothed girl meets a nude boy, treats him like the 11-year-old girls treated the 5-year-old boys.
I hope they don’t take the Critical Parent route with reprimands like “stand up straight!” “pick your feet up when you walk!”

So now I’m curious:
Ellen, when you played with your unclad brothers and cousins, did you treat them with this sort of soft nurturance?
Willy, when your lovely playmates saw you in all your glory, did they groom you carefully and comment on what a fine-looking young man you were?

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Author:
spelvin (to Ellen)
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Date Posted: 06:42:40 12/23/25 Tue
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Ellen, in your message of December 20, I wondered what you meant by "evening the playing field."
I just came by this section in my notes,
and I would like to hear your comments:

When Gertrude (2020, Voy 223876) was growing up, she felt resentful because “boys often acted superior to us.”
She frequented the South Carolina beach,
where she enjoyed a generous display of male anatomy.
She saw those trips as a chance for revenge:

"Sure the boys were stronger and could run faster than we could, but we knew what their 'wiener' looked like and had seen it erect! It was all about having one up on them!"

I grew up feeling similarly resentful toward girls.
I detested the song which stated that little boys were made of “snips and snails and puppy dogs’ tails” and that little girls were made of “sugar and spice and everything nice.”
I saw that the teachers at school praised girls more often than they did boys, and I hated the girls for that.
I regarded the “ladies first” maxim not as an effort to protect them for their fragility, but to reward them for their superiority over us.

I did not quite understand why the topography of a person’s body should be kept secret from the opposite sex, but I took this rule for granted.
I only saw naked women in the media, but I regarded each sighting as a point for my team.
No female outside my family ever saw me nude, but I regarded each sighting of a nude male by a female as a point for the opposing team.
In other words, I watched the same scoreboard that Gertrude watched.

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Date Posted: 04:47:42 12/24/25 Wed
Author Host/IP: 172.83.159.140

Spelvin, according to your scoring method, the female team would definitely score much higher than the male team because boys have far more opportunities for exposure than girls during childhood. Many girls have experienced seeing several boys their age naked while they themselves remained modestly dressed, which undoubtedly adds many points to the female team's score. I remember during puberty, when I was secretly discussing female organ in porn with a few boys, a female classmate interrupted us and mocked us, saying: "You boys only watch porn online; which girl in real life would show you her private parts? We girls all know that boys' private parts are just a stick and we see them often in real life. There are no secrets about your bodies to us girls." Considering the lack of privacy in the male facilities at our school (which I mentioned in the double standards board), I think she was right. Girls know far more about boys' private parts than boys know about girls' private parts during childhood.

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Ellen
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Date Posted: 09:30:21 12/24/25 Wed
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My brothers would usually do better than me in any game we played but in my mind it was always even because I was very familiar with their penises. When I was with clothed boys at school (I wish I could have seen naked boys there too, but I got to almost everywhere else) they would usually be more rude and act superior to girls, but when I was at home with my brothers and their friends who were naked as well I took on a more mature nurturing role with them. So any time I felt like boys had an unfair advantage I would just remember that I got to keep my clothes on at home and they didn’t!

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Willy to Ellen
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Date Posted: 10:04:52 12/24/25 Wed
Author Host/IP: 122.63.135.25

Hi Ellen you should come to my chatroom. I would love to chat with you. https://nudeschat.chatovod.com/

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Sean
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Date Posted: 19:00:27 12/24/25 Wed
Author Host/IP: 76.195.201.31

I knew a girl my age, as friends of my foster mother, and we became close friends. I learned her brother was being raised nude just like your brothers. I was already 10 when we met, she was 9 and her brother 7. They let me play with just boy naked as first and then both to acclimate me to being nude all the time after school and in summer, then after a while I preferred to be nude. After the initiate part I stayed naked except when going somewhere, id get pants and shirt. Ther wasnt really any stigma back then for boys doing that as it was considered healthy though most did it sometimes only.


Girl did wear just panties sometimes but mostly wore tshirt and shorts while us boys played naked. Afew girls were naked at beach till 8 or 9 but mistly just boys doing this.

The girl would get grumpy if I was not over playing all the time. She liked having boys to play with. Id have sleep overs in boys room all the time and they did same.

I wish I could be that age again :)

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