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Subject: Re: Did you go nude on beach growing up? Do you see others do this?


Author:
Sarah
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Date Posted: 03:54:31 03/09/26 Mon
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In reply to: Ramona 's message, "Did you go nude on beach growing up? Do you see others do this?" on 23:41:55 03/04/26 Wed

I loved to go raw at local beach as girl. Whenever I went with my dad or mom they kept me bare all day until perhaps 10, then I graduated to a swim suit. But my older brother was told to keep bare always till he left home. It was a local spot and boys did that back then. My brother could take his clothes off at home when ever he wanted but I acted proper after 10 or so.

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Author:
spelvin (to Ramona)
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Date Posted: 15:31:14 03/13/26 Fri
Author Host/IP: 108.16.250.89

Hello, Ramona!

It doesn’t look like you’re alone.
Here are some gleanings from my files:

---girls feeling envious of shirtless boys---

trulyblessed26 (2010) explained all the rules of modesty to her 4-year-old daughter, and the daughter understood all of the rules except one: why do girls have to wear shirts if boys don’t?

She wanted to change genders for that reason, but that was not an option. The mother tried several approaches. “Because God made boys and girls different and women have breasts where boys don’t.” She commented, “It is just plain illegal for girls to not wear shirts where men don’t have to.”

Was the girl merely going through a phase? Probably not. Listen to what Helen (2019) has to say:

We played a boys v girls basketball match once a year outside in either spring /summer. Part of the fun was making boys go topless. I did envy the boys going topless for PE, it just looked totally natural for them to be. I didn't begin to show until I was nearly 16 and could have played as a skin though my ponytail may have given me away.

chellaman (2019) wrote:

I remember playing outside with all the boys in elementary school during recess.

They all tore off their shirts and ran free.

I resented the fact that I could not join them in this act of liberation.

As a young girl (as identified then), I was not able to take off my shirt and feel the sun beat down on my back.

Our bodies are sexualized from the beginning.

During swim class in first grade, I followed the rules, squeezing myself into the tight “female” one-piece.

Barbara (2015a, 2015b, 2015c, 2015d) was a veritable gymnosophist. When she was 12 years old, she was permitted to attend girls’ phys ed class topless after bringing a permission slip from her mother. Since male toplessness constitutes seminudity, she wondered why so many boys “were so bothered” about the subject. In fact, when boys attended phys ed class shirtless, she was “really quite jealous.”

Until Barbara developed, she remained topless when attending phys ed class outdoors, when on a camping trip, and when riding bikes with boys in the neighborhood.

---girls feeling envious of naked boys---

B. Williams (2017, Voy 202532) wrote, “The girls, as far as I can remember were envious of us and would have removed their suits in a heartbeat if they'd have been allowed to. They felt shortchanged or punished by having to keep their suits on.”

Louis (2017, dead link) wrote:

When I was around 10, we often went to a summer cottage owned by my family. My cousins were around my age give or take a few years and we boys swam nude. The girl cousins always wore suits and some of the younger ones wished they could join us and be naked too. We made faces and said: “No! Boys only!”

Barbara. 2015a. [untitled message]. (April 18). http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602

_____. 2015b. [untitled message]. (April 19). http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602

_____. 2015c. [untitled message]. (April 20). http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602

_____. 2015d. [untitled message]. (April 21). http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602

chellaman. 2019. [untitled message]. (July 27). https://www.instagram.com/p/B0cghMgnyBE/

Helen. 2019. [untitled message]. (August 22).
http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?id=1607&offset=0&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=

trulyblessed26. 2010. modesty for a 4 year old and why boys don't have to wear shirts. Simply Charlotte Mason (July 29). https://simplycharlottemason.com/scmforum/topic/modesty-for-a-4-year-old-and-why-boys-dont-have-to-wear-shirts/

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Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 14:31:12 03/20/26 Fri
Author Host/IP: 37.75.55.59

It's funny how these accounts speak of girls being jealous of boys who could swim naked or topless while they couldn't.

While other accounts where boys were made to swim naked the boys were jealous of the girls who could keep their swimsuit on.

One can't blame the boys really for having the girls gawking at their nakedness. Some of the boys who were exhibitionists may have liked it but I'm sure most boys hated it especially if the nudity was forced on them.




>Hello, Ramona!
>
>It doesn’t look like you’re alone.
>Here are some gleanings from my files:
>
>---girls feeling envious of shirtless boys---
>
>trulyblessed26 (2010) explained all the rules of
>modesty to her 4-year-old daughter, and the daughter
>understood all of the rules except one: why do girls
>have to wear shirts if boys don’t?
>
>She wanted to change genders for that reason, but that
>was not an option. The mother tried several
>approaches. “Because God made boys and girls
>different and women have breasts where boys
>don’t.” She commented, “It is just plain illegal
>for girls to not wear shirts where men don’t have
>to.”
>
>Was the girl merely going through a phase? Probably
>not. Listen to what Helen (2019) has to say:
>
>We played a boys v girls basketball match once a year
>outside in either spring /summer. Part of the fun was
>making boys go topless. I did envy the boys going
>topless for PE, it just looked totally natural for
>them to be. I didn't begin to show until I was nearly
>16 and could have played as a skin though my ponytail
>may have given me away.
>
>chellaman (2019) wrote:
>
>I remember playing outside with all the boys in
>elementary school during recess.
>
>They all tore off their shirts and ran free.
>
>I resented the fact that I could not join them in this
>act of liberation.
>
>As a young girl (as identified then), I was not able
>to take off my shirt and feel the sun beat down on my
>back.
>
>Our bodies are sexualized from the beginning.
>
>During swim class in first grade, I followed the
>rules, squeezing myself into the tight “female”
>one-piece.
>
>Barbara (2015a, 2015b, 2015c, 2015d) was a veritable
>gymnosophist. When she was 12 years old, she was
>permitted to attend girls’ phys ed class topless
>after bringing a permission slip from her mother.
>Since male toplessness constitutes seminudity, she
>wondered why so many boys “were so bothered” about
>the subject. In fact, when boys attended phys ed class
>shirtless, she was “really quite jealous.”
>
>Until Barbara developed, she remained topless when
>attending phys ed class outdoors, when on a camping
>trip, and when riding bikes with boys in the
>neighborhood.
>
>---girls feeling envious of naked boys---
>
>B. Williams (2017, Voy 202532) wrote, “The girls, as
>far as I can remember were envious of us and would
>have removed their suits in a heartbeat if they'd have
>been allowed to. They felt shortchanged or punished by
>having to keep their suits on.”
>
>Louis (2017, dead link) wrote:
>
>When I was around 10, we often went to a summer
>cottage owned by my family. My cousins were around my
>age give or take a few years and we boys swam nude.
>The girl cousins always wore suits and some of the
>younger ones wished they could join us and be naked
>too. We made faces and said: “No! Boys only!”
>
>Barbara. 2015a. [untitled message]. (April 18).
>http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort
>=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602
>
>_____. 2015b. [untitled message]. (April 19).
>http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort
>=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602
>
>_____. 2015c. [untitled message]. (April 20).
>http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort
>=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602
>
>_____. 2015d. [untitled message]. (April 21).
>http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?offset=500&sort
>=0&l1=Childhood&l2=&id=1602
>
>chellaman. 2019. [untitled message]. (July 27).
>https://www.instagram.com/p/B0cghMgnyBE/
>
>Helen. 2019. [untitled message]. (August 22).
>http://www.historyworld.co.uk/photo.php?id=1607&offset=
>0&sort=0&l1=Childhood&l2=
>
>trulyblessed26. 2010. modesty for a 4 year old and why
>boys don't have to wear shirts. Simply Charlotte Mason
>(July 29).
>https://simplycharlottemason.com/scmforum/topic/modesty
>-for-a-4-year-old-and-why-boys-dont-have-to-wear-shirts
>/

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[> [> [> Subject: Re: Did you go nude on beach growing up? Do you see others do this?


Author:
spelvin (to Observer)
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Date Posted: 08:22:24 03/21/26 Sat
Author Host/IP: 108.16.250.89

Thank you, Observer. I understand what you are saying.
I have made a list of variables which affect the feelings of a publicly nude child or adolescent, and I’ll share a couple of them.

---depending on the attitude of the viewer or viewers---

Ryan (2019, Voy 206801) attended mixed swim classes. The boys were allowed to wear swim suits but chose not to. The instructors “were genuine and caring. We actually got hugged.” A woman instructor openly admitted that she enjoyed seeing the boys naked. Regarding erections, “she said they looked nice and healthy to show.” Ryan reports, “I do not recall any boy quitting or being upset.” Ryan himself swam for three seasons.

13-year-old Henry (2020, Voy 223876) had an accident which proved to be a blessing in disguise. He had to wear a cast on one arm, so his 16-year-old sister had to give him a bath every day. His initial embarrassment abated when his sister said, “You are sooooooo cute. And you have nothing to be embarrassed about, and I am proud that you are my brother. And by the way, if you didn’t get a stiffy like that, I would be really concerned about you. What I’m saying is, that you are so perfectly normal, and again, soooo cute.”

Henry commented, “My sister had never, ever spoken to me like that before. I always thought she hated me and thought I was ugly. It seemed OK now, although some embarrassment remained.” Although the cast was removed 6 weeks later, but the sessions were held by mutual consent until his sister went to college.

Louisa (2020, Voy 223876) saw her boy cousins every summer. She gave an added touch by commenting on their maturation: “Oh, your penis has gotten bigger since last summer. “Oh, you've got penis hair now!” She commented, “They were rather proud that I noticed these changes that made them men.”

Marie (2020, Voy 206801) avoided appearing nude in the presence of her mother. Her mother commented that she was getting fat, that her legs were hairy, or that she should not shave off her pubic hair. However, she enjoyed appearing nude in the presence of her father, because he considered her pretty, and because he “always said something nice about my body.”

The world needs more people like Ryan’s swimming teachers, Henry’s sister, Louisa, and Marie’s father.

---depending on whether the nude gender is in the majority or minority---

When 10-year-old Dudley (2018, Voy 223876) and about ten other boys went skinny-dipping, Colleen tagged along, wearing a T-shirt and denim shorts. Although Dudley felt uncomfortable with her teasing and her open conversation about matters biological, the other boys willingly acknowledged her presence and provided her with a thorough sex education. They showed her how boys urinate. They pointed out which of their comrades were circumcised and which were not. While developing erections in her presence, they answered all her questions.

The skinny dippers whom Ben (2018, Voy 223876) associated also had an audience: “We actually enjoyed the few girls’ presence and found it exciting, besides also having strength in numbers. It was a sort of dare for us to let the girls see us naked.”

According to Jake (2018, Voy 223876), such a setting could be more comfortable for the boys than for the girls:

“We liked to skinnydip in front of girls as preteens and early teens because we had strength in numbers, and it was usually the girls themselves who were embarrassed at seeing us naked although they enjoyed it.”

Lenora Jones (n. d., dead link) grew up in the 1950’s in rural North Carolina. She did not have a brother, so she requested instruction from the local skinny-dippers. When she asked about the purpose of the testicles, the boys at first ridiculed her for not already knowing, but later explained. The boys also felt contemptuous toward Lenora and her friends for wearing swim suits. They tried to persuade the girls to take off their suits, but to no avail.
The boys were not bothered by Lenora’s presence. She recalled, “In fact, some would stand right in front of me and not even turn around as they urinated, wherein I'd watch the entire spectacle in amazement.”

The case of Joseph (2023 Voy 206801) showed that the principle could operate CMNF as well as CFNM. After junior high baseball practice, the coach asked Joseph to take the bases to the equipment room. The only route to the equipment room was through the girls’ locker room, where he was unabashedly watched by the cheerleaders, fresh out of the shower.

All twelve cheerleaders rushed to Joseph’s aid when he slipped and fell. Some of the girls helped him back up while some helped him gather up the bases, “not even concerned about their nudity.”

So you’ve seen two very powerful variables. Let us close with some cases in which both variables were in place:

When Patrick (2023, Voy 206801) was in high school, he was so girl-shy that he could not even talk to a girl without stuttering. “I think girls thought I was kind of cute, because of how harmless I was to them.”

One day during the volleyball season, Patrick stayed after school to tend to some scholastic matters. A girl came to his desk and requested help. When the two neared the girls’ locker room door, another girl came out and joined the first girl in pushing him inside.

There he was greeted by a very moist, very feminine, and very underclad volleyball team. “Don’t be shy.” “Do you like what you see?”

Patrick concludes, “They knew I was not a threat so they felt empowered.”

Bacon Fanatic (2017, Voy 223876) suffered permanent damage from the raw end of the deal. When he participated in nude swim classes at a YMCA in British Columbia, the insensitive female audience “outnumbered the boys 7 or 8 to 1 easily.” As a result, he has suffered long-term damage.

“To be totally honest about it I eventually wound up needing psychological help from all the embarrassment. I had performance issues later in life and was very self-conscious any time I was nude in front of any female, even my wife.”

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Author:
Observer
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Date Posted: 09:42:59 03/21/26 Sat
Author Host/IP: 37.75.55.59

Thanks for the reposts Spelvin.

One things become clear when one reads them and similar experiences.

It seems that boys, and to some extent girls, become comfortable with their nudity when they are encouraged and even praised for their attractiveness when naked.

On the other hand when they are laughed at or just gawked at as a piece of meat it embarrasses and humiliates them.


>Thank you, Observer. I understand what you are saying.
>I have made a list of variables which affect the
>feelings of a publicly nude child or adolescent, and
>I’ll share a couple of them.
>
>---depending on the attitude of the viewer or
>viewers---
>
>Ryan (2019, Voy 206801) attended mixed swim classes.
>The boys were allowed to wear swim suits but chose not
>to. The instructors “were genuine and caring. We
>actually got hugged.” A woman instructor openly
>admitted that she enjoyed seeing the boys naked.
>Regarding erections, “she said they looked nice and
>healthy to show.” Ryan reports, “I do not recall
>any boy quitting or being upset.” Ryan himself swam
>for three seasons.
>
>13-year-old Henry (2020, Voy 223876) had an accident
>which proved to be a blessing in disguise. He had to
>wear a cast on one arm, so his 16-year-old sister had
>to give him a bath every day. His initial
>embarrassment abated when his sister said, “You are
>sooooooo cute. And you have nothing to be embarrassed
>about, and I am proud that you are my brother. And by
>the way, if you didn’t get a stiffy like that, I
>would be really concerned about you. What I’m saying
>is, that you are so perfectly normal, and again, soooo
>cute.”
>
>Henry commented, “My sister had never, ever spoken
>to me like that before. I always thought she hated me
>and thought I was ugly. It seemed OK now, although
>some embarrassment remained.” Although the cast was
>removed 6 weeks later, but the sessions were held by
>mutual consent until his sister went to college.
>
>Louisa (2020, Voy 223876) saw her boy cousins every
>summer. She gave an added touch by commenting on their
>maturation: “Oh, your penis has gotten bigger since
>last summer. “Oh, you've got penis hair now!” She
>commented, “They were rather proud that I noticed
>these changes that made them men.”
>
>Marie (2020, Voy 206801) avoided appearing nude in the
>presence of her mother. Her mother commented that she
>was getting fat, that her legs were hairy, or that she
>should not shave off her pubic hair. However, she
>enjoyed appearing nude in the presence of her father,
>because he considered her pretty, and because he
>“always said something nice about my body.”
>
>The world needs more people like Ryan’s swimming
>teachers, Henry’s sister, Louisa, and Marie’s
>father.
>
>---depending on whether the nude gender is in the
>majority or minority---
>
>When 10-year-old Dudley (2018, Voy 223876) and about
>ten other boys went skinny-dipping, Colleen tagged
>along, wearing a T-shirt and denim shorts. Although
>Dudley felt uncomfortable with her teasing and her
>open conversation about matters biological, the other
>boys willingly acknowledged her presence and provided
>her with a thorough sex education. They showed her
>how boys urinate. They pointed out which of their
>comrades were circumcised and which were not. While
>developing erections in her presence, they answered
>all her questions.
>
>The skinny dippers whom Ben (2018, Voy 223876)
>associated also had an audience: “We actually
>enjoyed the few girls’ presence and found it
>exciting, besides also having strength in numbers. It
>was a sort of dare for us to let the girls see us
>naked.”
>
>According to Jake (2018, Voy 223876), such a setting
>could be more comfortable for the boys than for the
>girls:
>
>“We liked to skinnydip in front of girls as preteens
>and early teens because we had strength in numbers,
>and it was usually the girls themselves who were
>embarrassed at seeing us naked although they enjoyed
>it.”
>
>Lenora Jones (n. d., dead link) grew up in the
>1950’s in rural North Carolina. She did not have a
>brother, so she requested instruction from the local
>skinny-dippers. When she asked about the purpose of
>the testicles, the boys at first ridiculed her for not
>already knowing, but later explained. The boys also
>felt contemptuous toward Lenora and her friends for
>wearing swim suits. They tried to persuade the girls
>to take off their suits, but to no avail.
>The boys were not bothered by Lenora’s presence.
>She recalled, “In fact, some would stand right in
>front of me and not even turn around as they urinated,
>wherein I'd watch the entire spectacle in
>amazement.”
>
>The case of Joseph (2023 Voy 206801) showed that the
>principle could operate CMNF as well as CFNM. After
>junior high baseball practice, the coach asked Joseph
>to take the bases to the equipment room. The only
>route to the equipment room was through the girls’
>locker room, where he was unabashedly watched by the
>cheerleaders, fresh out of the shower.
>
>All twelve cheerleaders rushed to Joseph’s aid when
>he slipped and fell. Some of the girls helped him back
>up while some helped him gather up the bases, “not
>even concerned about their nudity.”
>
>So you’ve seen two very powerful variables. Let us
>close with some cases in which both variables were in
>place:
>
>When Patrick (2023, Voy 206801) was in high school, he
>was so girl-shy that he could not even talk to a girl
>without stuttering. “I think girls thought I was
>kind of cute, because of how harmless I was to them.”
>
>One day during the volleyball season, Patrick stayed
>after school to tend to some scholastic matters. A
>girl came to his desk and requested help. When the two
>neared the girls’ locker room door, another girl
>came out and joined the first girl in pushing him
>inside.
>
>There he was greeted by a very moist, very feminine,
>and very underclad volleyball team. “Don’t be
>shy.” “Do you like what you see?”
>
>Patrick concludes, “They knew I was not a threat so
>they felt empowered.”
>
>Bacon Fanatic (2017, Voy 223876) suffered permanent
>damage from the raw end of the deal. When he
>participated in nude swim classes at a YMCA in British
>Columbia, the insensitive female audience
>“outnumbered the boys 7 or 8 to 1 easily.” As a
>result, he has suffered long-term damage.
>
>“To be totally honest about it I eventually wound up
>needing psychological help from all the embarrassment.
>I had performance issues later in life and was very
>self-conscious any time I was nude in front of any
>female, even my wife.”

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