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Date Posted: 08:16
Author: Anonymous-15Dec01
Subject: Re: Swiped from another board
In reply to: Bill-15Dec01 's message, "Re: Swiped from another board" on 08:15

Maybe this will help Bill.

From the Lankavatara Sutra

Then said Maharani to the Blessed One: Why is it that the ignorant are given up to discrimination and the wise are not?

The Blessed One replied: It is because the ignorant cling to names, signs and ideas; as their minds move along these channels they feed on multiplicities and objects and fall into the notion of an ego-soul and what belongs to it; they make discriminations of good and bad among appearances and cling to the agreeable. As they thus cling there is a reversion to ignorance, and karmas born of greed, anger and folly, is accumulated. As the accumulation of karma goes on they become imprisoned in a cocoon of discrimination and are thenceforth unable to fee themselves from the round of birth and death.

Because of folly they do not understand that all things are like maya, like the reflection of the moon in water, that there is no self-substance to be imagined as an ego-soul and its belongings, and that all their definitive ideas rise from their false discriminations of what exists only as it is seen of the mind itself. They do not realize that things have nothing to do with qualified and qualifying , not with the course of birth, abiding and destruction, and instead they assert that they are born of a creator, of time, of atoms, of some celestial spirit. It is because the ignorant are given up to discrimination that they move along with the stream of appearances, but it is not so with the wise.

Let me also add that in answer to Mahamatis question concerning what clear understandings the earnest disciple should have if he is to succeed in the discipline leading to self realization the Blessed Lord Buddha replied...in part....

�First- he must have a clear understanding that all things are only manifestations of the mind itself;....

...As to the first; he must recognise and be fully convinced that this triple world is nothing but a complex manifestation of one's mental activities; that it is devoid of selfness and its belongings; and there are no strivings, no comings, no goings. He must recognise and accept the fact that this triple world is manifested and imagined as real only under the influence of habit-energy that has been accumulated since the beginningless past by reason of of memory, false-imagination, false-reasoning, and attachments to the multiplicities of objects and reactions in close relationship and in conformity to ideas of body-property-and abode. �

Now the second understanding the Buddha said we must fulfill for self-realization is that we must -discard the notion of birth, abiding and disappearance.

Of this Lord Buddha explains," As to the second; he must recognise and be convinced that all things are to be regared as forms seen in a vision and a dream, empty of substance, un-born and without self-nature;that all things exist only by reason of a complicated network of causation which owes its rise to discrimination and attachment and which eventuates in the rise of the mind-system and its belongings and evolvements."

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Whether meditative �visions� are alternate �perceptions� -- Eponymous-15Dec01, 08:17

Re: Whether meditative �visions� are alternate �perceptions� -- ketch-16Dec01, 08:18

Re: Whether meditative �visions� are alternate �perceptions� -- Eponymous-16Dec01, 08:19
- Correction -- Eponymous-16Dec01, 08:21