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Date Posted: 13:26:08 08/20/02 Tue
Author: Tom DiStasio
Subject: 2004 GTO

This is not a GTO, this is a Grand AM. Please go back to the 1999 concept GTO that I waited 20 years for.


P.S. Does the 2004 version come with a matching bottle of nail Polish.

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- Monaro Forever, 07:34:35 09/06/02 Fri

>This is not a GTO, this is a Grand AM. Please go back
>to the 1999 concept GTO that I waited 20 years for.
>
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>P.S. Does the 2004 version come with a matching
>bottle of nail Polish.

Only if you are that way inclined.

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- John LeChette, 12:14:19 09/07/02 Sat

>This is not a GTO, this is a Grand AM. Please go back
>to the 1999 concept GTO that I waited 20 years for.
>
>
>P.S. Does the 2004 version come with a matching
>bottle of nail Polish.
I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy engine is a disgrace.
I think a company this large could have actually built one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02

John

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[> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Monaro/GTO, 03:43:49 09/10/02 Tue

>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>engine is a disgrace.
>I think a company this large could have actually built
>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>
>John

Disgrace, eh?
I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered Front-drive cars!
NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ... boring boring boring
Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8 6speed coupes with RWD

2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign' than the 2002 model, eh John?

Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova econo-car clone. Wow, big deal

I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the much-improved quality of the '04, most of you so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple question ...

How good is it to drive & own?

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- QuickSilver, 11:35:52 01/04/03 Sat

>>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>>engine is a disgrace.
>>I think a company this large could have actually built
>>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>>
>>John
>
>Disgrace, eh?
>I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the
>so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently
>making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered
>Front-drive cars!
>NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
>NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
>NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ...
>boring boring boring
>Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and
>Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least
>Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8
>6speed coupes with RWD
>
>2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
>2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign'
>than the 2002 model, eh John?
>
>Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American
>icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO
>finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was
>merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova
>econo-car clone. Wow, big deal
>
>I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new
>GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack
>of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't
>deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the
>much-improved quality of the '04, most of you
>so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple
>question ...
>
>How good is it to drive & own?


Point well taken. Luckily the upcoming 2004 and 2005 line of Pontiacs will take care of a lot of your "boring" issues. The Prix will offer a steering wheel mounted TAPshift on its performance upgrade model. Most of line is going supercharged. And when the 2005 Grand Am hits everyone will forget the GTO even existed.

As far as the GTO styling, I would give it at least a year after release before Pontiac started introducing beefier styling packages. Remember how plain the first GTO looked?

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[> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Jake, 17:13:11 01/11/03 Sat

I don't really have a problem with the car being an Australian import bue I do have a problem with the way this thing looks. The Holden is cool in it's own way but I personally wouldn't say it's "GTO". I would have introduced the car under another name and saved the GTO title for something else. It really dosen't look like a muscle car. Looks like a two door Caddy Catera or somethin'. Like I said, it's cool but it's not what I'd see as a GTO.

"it was merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova econo-car clone. Wow, big deal"

I'd say a Chevelle's more of it's counterpart than the Nova..

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- the Dogamus One, 02:02:51 01/21/03 Tue

How can a car that is going to be more expensive than the car it is replacing be an "econo-car clone"? Holden makes a fine automobile and if sales go well in the US, I'd imagine that they'd bring some of the aftermarket and specialty versions (there's like 30) over as well. So the name thing really does fit. You can't argue with a motor like the LS1. After all, it is pretty much the last of the pushrod powerhouses. How much more muscle car do you want?

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Robert, 09:36:02 02/13/03 Thu

I think that you guys are missing the point. If you follow the original GTOs design and conception its point was to stop the decline of PMD. Pontiac just couldnt compete back then with GM saying no speedy cars no racing and such. but a genius named Delorean came up with the idea of putting a 389 in the body of a lemans and thus the great one was born.
now I dont like the GTO name appearing on what is basically a Neon (Per Se) on Steroids but pontiac is doing the same thing that they did in the creation of the great one. now while it is dismaying to think about, pontiac just cant compete these days. Kids want foreign and crap like that in not that many years the hobby of restoring old ponchos will die if we dont start putting the hobby in young peoples minds.


Robert

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[> [> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Jon, 18:15:26 04/05/05 Tue

I think you're missing the point. The last year of the GTO WAS a chevy nova with different accents. It wasn't the same chassis like the GTO and Chevelles were at first.

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Andrew, 13:50:40 01/13/03 Mon

>>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>>engine is a disgrace.
>>I think a company this large could have actually built
>>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>>
>>John
>
>Disgrace, eh?
>I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the
>so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently
>making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered
>Front-drive cars!
>NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
>NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
>NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ...
>boring boring boring
>Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and
>Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least
>Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8
>6speed coupes with RWD
>
>2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
>2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign'
>than the 2002 model, eh John?
>
>Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American
>icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO
>finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was
>merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova
>econo-car clone. Wow, big deal
>
>I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new
>GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack
>of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't
>deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the
>much-improved quality of the '04, most of you
>so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple
>question ...
>
>How good is it to drive & own?

Your both right, its important to have a car that looks good(tunnel hood...) and have a car that drives good to. GTO does have a good name, and i was looking forward to the concept for a while now. PLEASE BRING IT BACK!!!

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Andrew, 14:02:56 01/13/03 Mon

>>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>>engine is a disgrace.
>>I think a company this large could have actually built
>>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>>
>>John
>
>Disgrace, eh?
>I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the
>so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently
>making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered
>Front-drive cars!
>NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
>NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
>NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ...
>boring boring boring
>Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and
>Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least
>Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8
>6speed coupes with RWD
>
>2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
>2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign'
>than the 2002 model, eh John?
>
>Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American
>icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO
>finally died about a quarter-century ago, it was
>merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova
>econo-car clone. Wow, big deal
>
>I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new
>GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack
>of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't
>deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the
>much-improved quality of the '04, most of you
>so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple
>question ...
>
>How good is it to drive & own?

Your both right, its important to have a car that looks good(tunnel hood...) and have a car that drives good to. GTO does have a good name, and i was looking forward to the concept for a while now. PLEASE BRING IT BACK!!!

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- curtis wilson, 20:33:07 08/16/03 Sat

i,am going to buy this car because i think this is a car that will turn heads.i like the ideal because people will ask what it is.you all have to realize that new cars have to be built this way.many of you weren,t even old enough to have a gto when they first came out.so it is time to move on.this car is awesome.think about it.when that camero pull up beside that gto and look over at that v6 looking car and get there doors blown off,oh what a feeling

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Jon, 18:12:09 04/05/05 Tue

It's about damn time someone recognized this. I would have liked to have seen a little better styling myself, but come on,, this is a great car! All you so called enthusiasts need to take a look at the performance features of this car, not to mention the Aussie quality both interior, exterior and robust suspension/chassis that far surpasses anything that the so called "american" GM cars contain... Oh darn,, the new GTO doesn't have cheesy body panels that don't match up and where the hell did they put the nerf interior!!??? What's this?? rear seats with leg room and head room?? and what the hell is up with these buckets that are more comfortable than anything GM has ever produced??? The car is good looking,, maybe it isn't a nostalgic rip-off like every mustang produced in the last decade, but it's still handsome. And I'd rather have a somewhat boring look than all those fake assed plastic NON FUNCTIONAL scoops and ground effects hanging all over it.

Furthermore,, rattling on about putting a chevy engine in the Pontiac is a pretty stupid arguement. It's been since the early '80s that Pontiac even produced a V8.

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[> [> Re: 'American icon' -- Monaro/GTO, 03:48:03 09/10/02 Tue

>I am a little dismayed by Pontiac's plan to "import" a
>GTO. What a slap in the face for this division. The
>GTO is the American icon of the muscle car, and to
>pass off this foreign car with a warmed over chevy
>engine is a disgrace.
>I think a company this large could have actually built
>one here in the U.S. and competed quite well with the
>Ford Mustang Cobra in the $35000 range. My .02
>
>John

Disgrace, eh?
I'll tell you what the REAL disgrace is!... It's the so-called 'Excitement Division' of Pontiac currently making/selling nothing better than boring V6 powered Front-drive cars!
NO V8 Pontiacs? ... boring
NO RWD Pontiacs? ... boring
NOT even a V6 stick shift Pontiac available? ... boring boring boring
Tin Indian sales are down fully 20% in 18 months, and Pontiac's in need of rescue - lucky for them at least Holden still makes genuine excitement machines, V8 6speed coupes with RWD

2002 F-Body > imported from Canada
2004 GTO > imported from Australia - no more 'foreign' than the 2002 model, eh John?

Please, try and control this misty-eyed 'American icon' GTO nostalgia crap. When the previous GTO last appeared about a quarter-century ago, it was merely a thinly disguised (and boring) Chevy Nova econo-car clone. Hardly an item of worship

I've read a lot of nauseous posts regarding the new GTO, bitching on about the lack of hood scoops, lack of hood-mounted tach, lack of retro styling, doesn't deserve the GTO badge etc etc. Apart from the much-improved quality of the '04, most of you so-called enthusiasts forget to ask one simple question ...

How good is it to drive & own?

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[> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- American Muscle, 10:50:49 01/22/03 Wed

Most of you are missing the point. The new GTO styling looks a tad plain for the simple reason that it takes quite a bit of time to certify any changes in styling such as hood scoops, duel exhaust etc... Pontiac wanted to get this car out for the 2004 model year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the GTO. The 2005 car will include far more of what you all had "hoped" for, mark my words.
As far as excitement? 340hp LS1, T56 6 speed, RWD in a car that is quite a bit lighter than the Corvette and 15 grand cheaper... I’m excited. The only car manufactured today that even comes close at the same price range is the SVT Cobra Mustang. Ford is not stifled by the (“Nothing is allowed to compete with the Corvette”) mindset that GM instituted way back in 1967 when tri- power was no longer allowed on any car other than the Corvette. Believe me, this Holden has a GTX version in AU that is producing over 400hp! When SLP or the like get their hands on it we will see what this GTO’s potential is. Lets not forget, most first generation GTO owners took their new GTO to speed shops like Royal Pontiac and had them tuned up. I see no reason why that will not be the case 40 years later. So slow down with the knee jerk reactions and get ready for the ride of your life.
In a final note calling the GTO an “import” is a tad of a stretch! Sure its made in AU, But Holden is a division of GM and in a sad testament of the truth, they have a far better quality control program that any US auto maker. As a result we may actually see a better manufactured vehicle from this GM division. If this program is a success, the car will eventually be moved over to US plants. Tooling up for a new model takes years. Like I said before, Pontiac wanted to get this car out for the 2004 model year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the GTO.

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[> [> [> [> Re: 'American icon' -- ThirdPersonPlural, 17:39:26 09/18/03 Thu

How many think that anyone found the 1964 Tempest an exciting body style? Hey, the GTO legacy is a bigger than standard motor dropped into a run of the mill midsized sedan, which is exactly what we are seeing today.

When Can I Get A Convertible?

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[> [> 2004 gto -- jacob cisneros, 10:41:21 12/11/02 Wed

do they have speed

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[> [> [> Re: 2004 gto -- hsfhshsfhshhhhsfgf, 08:48:47 01/20/03 Mon

>do they have speed
YES MO FO

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- Roger, 16:27:30 11/20/03 Thu

SAD, After reading the above I agree with some and disagree with others. It is true we are in a GLOBAL economy and I feel GM was looking for a fast means to get a fast buck. Two methods to their greed. 1. From the Yuppies who will run out and buy the Holden because in their minds they are going to own a MUSCLE CAR icon which they couldn't afford earlier in life. 2. They (GM) was (IS) being out sold by Ford and Chrysler both in STYLING and Performance. Pontiac always was the dominate performer in the GM Division. But, Chevy had the corporate pull and so Pontiac was told to back off, IE the 326 (330) Pontiac, Chevy was affrade that hot roders would purchase the 330 in place of the 327. Recently Pontiac pulled out of NASCAR. This tells me that the EXCITEMENT Div. is slowly being phased out like the oldest car in the GM line up, Oldsmobile. In time the only selection you will have from GM will be Cadilac and Chevy. Its all about the Bottom Line, $$$$ YOURS By the way this is a 3 year deal.

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO :( -- Mike, 10:38:30 11/30/03 Sun

Pontiac had a chance to do something exciting for the
40th birthday of the GTO.
So what do they do, make it into another foreign car.
It's not a sign of the times or of a global crap economy,
it's a sign the American automobile industry is shooting
right down the crapper.
It is a true discrace what they have done to the GTO and
on the most important milestone of the AMERICAN GTO.
Global economy my fanny, how many Fords or Chevy's or
MOPAR's do you think the Jap's or anyone else for that
matter in the world drive...very few if any.
American's recently are true fool's giving away the
industry that made us great and a world power.
The export of the American GTO is just another sign
of true ignorence.

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- Matthew Burns, 15:19:41 12/16/02 Mon

who gives a big fat flying fuck?

i mean really?!

1)arent they calling this the monaro instead of the GTO? they were thinking about that, but decided not to.

2)while it would be nice to bring back origonal pontiac equipment, it aint gonna happen. how many of you drive a 3rd or 4th genb firebird? yeah it would be great. but pontiac is gone, forever all it is is a nameplate anyhow.

so why don't we stop acting like were all 5 years old and get along.

now can we get back to picking on imports?

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- American Muscle, 10:56:34 01/22/03 Wed

Most of you are missing the point. The new GTO styling looks a tad plain for the simple reason that it takes quite a bit of time to certify any changes in styling such as hood scoops, duel exhaust etc... Pontiac wanted to get this car out for the 2004 model year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the GTO. The 2005 car will include far more of what you all had "hoped" for, mark my words.
As far as excitement? 340hp LS1, T56 6 speed, RWD in a car that is quite a bit lighter than the Corvette and 15 grand cheaper... I’m excited. The only car manufactured today that even comes close at the same price range is the SVT Cobra Mustang. Ford is not stifled by the (“Nothing is allowed to compete with the Corvette”) mindset that GM instituted way back in 1967 when tri- power was no longer allowed on any car other than the Corvette. Believe me, this Holden has a GTX version in AU that is producing over 400hp! When SLP or the like get their hands on it we will see what this GTO’s potential is. Lets not forget, most first generation GTO owners took their new GTO to speed shops like Royal Pontiac and had them tuned up. I see no reason why that will not be the case 40 years later. So slow down with the knee jerk reactions and get ready for the ride of your life.
In a final note calling the GTO an “import” is a tad of a stretch! Sure its made in AU, But Holden is a division of GM and in a sad testament of the truth, they have a far better quality control program that any US auto maker. As a result we may actually see a better manufactured vehicle from this GM division. If this program is a success, the car will eventually be moved over to US plants. Tooling up for a new model takes years. Like I said before, Pontiac wanted to get this car out for the 2004 model year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the GTO.

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- Jon, 23:07:51 08/21/03 Thu

No, we can't stop picking on imports. Keep your damn "Fast and the Furious" rice crunching, glorified erector-set spoiler wearing, ground effects and neon lights sporting, need a supercharger to produce any signifigant power, "monkey-shitting-in-a-barrel" sounding, bazooka muffler dragging on the ground hunks of crap. Anything you can do to an import to enhance performance,, you can do to a REAL performance car even better.

The GTO is an American icon,,, larger than just an automobile. It represents an era when "American" could be said with pride and still meant high quality. The scoops and spoilers you speak of were FUNCTIONAL! The car looked the way it did because it enhanced performance in that fashion. Function came first. The beauty of the car was achieved through functionality. Yes, it was originally a play of a mid-sized car that was spiced up,, but it WAS the first muscle car. It set the standard for what all other muscle cars were compared to, and will always represent power and elegance in a fine American automobile.

To fashion the GTO in another country based of another country's car design GM or not goes against what the GTO stands for. Sure the Monaro is a great car. If GM wants a great car to base the GTO off of, they should make one. The spicing up of a less 'exciting' design may have been how the GTO was born, but, immediatly after the first couple years (when it was just a performance package), AND FROM THEN ON, the GTO defined the GTO, as it should today.

If GM couldn't make another American Icon car on their own, that wasn't just a bunch of non-functional scoops and spoilers, then they shouldn't have resurrected the GTO name. I'd buy one, I'm sure its a great car,, but its NOT a GTO.

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[> [> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- mario, 13:10:41 04/21/05 Thu

i own an 04 yellow gto m6, its the best car that i have ever driven. i'm also into fixin up import cars, our car club has many different import cars in it and i have driven most of them. after i got my goat, i forgot all about the import world, now, 16,000+ miles later , its very hard for me to get out of this gto. and there arent too many cars on the road that can beat my car. If you have some bad things to say about the 04 05 GTO, i would reccomend that you buy one , if you can afford it, and then finally comment on the goat.

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- Mike Allen, 01:37:17 01/08/03 Wed

The 2004 Pontiac GTO is such a disappointment I don’t know where to start. It is such a common looking car that the only way you would know it was a Pontiac is the grill and there is nothing that would make you think it is a GTO. I am a Pontiac owner and great admirer of the classic GTO’s, but this car does not deserve to drive on the same street as the 2004 Mustang or Corvette. It lacks horse power, looks and most of all, the GTO hood scoop. It is unbelievable that Pontiac made such a pathetic effort in the GTO project.

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- neal, 14:08:12 02/11/03 Tue

here here

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[> [> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- space cowboy, 10:04:23 09/19/03 Fri

GET OVER IT FOR GOODNESS SAKE.

Hood scoops does not maketh the car. With modern motor engineering, the 2004 GTO does not need hood scoops. Hood scoops are things from a bygone era. Sleek lines, low coefficient of drag and maximum power and fuel efficient engines is what the 2004 GTO is all about.

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[> [> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- K. Harris, 13:20:50 10/21/04 Thu

I'm a proud owner of a 2004 GTO and I'm just wondering why you people judge this car before you've even driven it? I also have a 700hp big block 67 camaro. I love to cruise the streets with it when I'm back home in the states, but I have my GTO over here in Germany where I'm stationed...
I've done a few mods (brakes, eibach springs, adjustable shocks, headers/loud mouth exhaust, 18" rims w/275/35/18's, programmer, K&N filter kit, 160* thermo. Not much money invested, but there isn't a european car on the Autobahn that can beat me that costs less than $85,000..... I don't see any Mustangs cruising at 168mph!

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- j jobson, 18:02:56 09/13/03 Sat

The GTO/Monaro if you are lucky enough to get one wil show you what you have been missing with all these years of front wheel drive wallowing crap you call cars. This car
looks great handles like shit stuck to your undies and sounds better than most cars for the money.Enjoy what we have been doing for years a big rear wheel drive family car
with a range of vehicles such as the monaro commodore and try a look at the caprice or HSV!! .GMH is owned by GM you know that but we are proud of what it produces.By the way try to see the Fords built here.

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[> [> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- Rippin' Rausch Racing, 02:52:42 05/11/04 Tue


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[> [> [> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- Rippin' Rausch Racing, 02:56:27 05/11/04 Tue

Another thing is that the Aussies were one of the few countries that actually loved and emulated the muscle car. That to me is no different than what we have done over there. The only difference is that they kept thier balls while we lost ours. Look what they make now after importing our stuff, now lets buy thiers and have a blast with it. Plus australia is cool as hell and the new GTO is extremely damned fast for the base model! Give it a couple of years and it will be a damned stang slaughtering machine, which I think that it already is!

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- Mike Allen, 19:02:03 01/12/03 Sun

If Pontiac wants to bring back the GTO and be successful, they need to take a serious look at Frank Bowman’s concept GTO. If Robert Lutz was quoted correctly at the keynote speech at Kettering University and the 2004 GTO will be putting out 405 horse power the only thing needed is to upgrade that four speed auto transmission to a five speed transmission and the Pontiac GTO will not be able to sell quickly enough. If this is done, Pontiac will not only have matched the 2004 Mustang GT in a retro look, but will have also produced five additional hours power. The only other challenge will be to keep it under $40,000 like the Mustang GT. Both the Mustang and Pontiac will be very competitive with the Corvette and since the Corvette runs a cost of up to $70,000 the Pontiac GTO will corner the market and rightly so. It will have a distinctive GTO look and horse power that will put Pontiac back on top as they should be.

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- Dan, 03:12:48 10/11/03 Sat


That is not a GTO! It's a Honda with a v8! I don't live in the past. I understand that the auto world has moved on, I don't care what country it's made in! But I do care about the "Goat" and the place it holds in history.If you are going to bring back a car like the GTO. It has to be done right. Or not at all. Where's the hoodscope? That screams GTO! Ford did a great job with the new T-bird! Hoodscope and all. Pontiac really needs to rethink this car again for next year. Then maybe I'll buy one. Right now it looks like everything else coming out...A used bar of soap!

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[> [> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- Steve, 04:04:03 07/25/04 Sun

Dude what in the hell is up with you guys and hoodscoops? do you really think that a hoodscoop is that important? just buy the car and put a hoodscoop on it

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- TOB, 19:01:15 01/16/03 Thu

Your out of your mind. This car is expected to put out over 360hp and have a top speed of 160mph. Its a v8 6-speed RWD too. How can you complain about that! Hey, they arn't doin it here in America and havent been doing it since 1970. So who cares if it didn't come from America, if its out there i want it whether it comes from Detroit or Australia. And as for retro styling, and your whole it "looks too plain" and "it doenst look like a GTO", well its not "GTO", its better, lets not forget that the first GTO's where warmed over Tempest/Lemans, nothing special about that, I mean they came in 4 doors, and wagons. I suppose we could throw a bench seat in there too right guys, the first GTO's had those. Theres no pleasing some of you, its not 1970 anymore, the auto industry has moved on like most of us and if you dont like the new ones go buy yourself a vintage goat, theres no shame in that. And when I see you out on the interstate I'll give you a wave as i go by. The hot chick in the seat next to me won't wave though, she'll be using that "bottle of matching nail polish."

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[> Re: TOB-2004 GTO -- Mike Allen, 00:27:28 01/18/03 Sat

Hey TOB, or who ever you are, you can’t be serious! I don’t know who you were responding to with your comment and of course you are as entitled to your opinion as much as anyone else, but I must point out what you don’t seem to be getting.

Let’s keep this basic and to the well known muscle cars from the main four auto manufactures, Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet and Mopar.

The 2004 Pontiac GTO has a V8 RWD 360HP, 6-speed manual or 4-speed auto transmission. Not bad, but the problem is when you compare it to its competition the GTO horsepower is as common as its looks. I would have preferred that the GTO was built in America, but if it had the looks and horsepower that the GTO deserves I really would not care where it was built. I don’t deny that the old Pontiac’s had a distinct look, but the 64, 65 and 67 GTO was a stand alone muscle car that took hold and was recognized at first glance. That is the biggest problem with the 2004 GTO as it stands right now. If Pontiac does not change the pathetic common look it has now, no one will know it is a GTO until they get close enough to see the emblem on the side of the car.

Here is the problem:

The 2003 Mustang, V8, 4.6, RWD, 400HP, 6-speed manual or 5-speed auto transmission. One look and you know what it is, it looks as fast as it is. I am not a Ford man, but I have to give credit where it is deserved and Ford has an upcoming retro Mustang that is going to fly off the showroom floor.

The Ford 427, V8 427, RWD, 32 valve, 490HP. As far as looks go, the Ford 427 has a larger problem than the 2004 GTO. The ford 427 is not common, it is butt ugly, but you got to love that motor.

The 2003 Corvette Z06, 5.7, RWD, 16 valve, 405HP 6-speed manual or 5-speed auto transmission. One look, one Corvette.

Dodge Viper, V10, 500HP, 6-speed manual transmission. As for looks, well you get what you pay for and a Viper will cost you.

You are right, it is not the 70’s anymore and the auto industry has moved on, but unfortunately, it appears that Pontiac can not keep up. I am sad to say it, because I conceder myself a Pontiac man, but I wont buy a generic looking car just because it has a GTO emblem on the side. The only way that the current 2004 GTO will sell in the United States is if Pontiac keeps the price under 20,000 and then there will be a market for those that can’t afford a real muscle car.

If you are foolish enough to buy the current 2004 GTO as advertised, no on will notice you, your imaginary girl friend or your imaginary muscle car.

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[> [> Re: TOB-2004 GTO -- anthony mansour, 18:41:08 05/07/03 Wed

dude, you may want to lay off the chics... you might find yourself having to look twice at the passanger side in one of these cars (kinda like greetings from australia sort of thing - the 04 is already road going) for what you essentially describe as imaginary and if unscathed (ie no incidents with the stoby pole), you may yet want to part with what otherwise could have been money for insurance premiums. it may come in rather handy if your shrink is not convinced when you confess of a the car that shot right past you at bazillion(?) miles an hour was pilotless. that though may be the easy part. the shrink may yet provide the best defense for being in the same area when said girls were laying down some fifty feet of rubber and a cop happened to be passing you by at that particular moment. but when cop asks you to testify against said girls you merely respond the whole incident was simply somthing that s/he was imaging.

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[> Losers -- Already Done, 12:32:12 01/20/03 Mon

I am getting so sick and tired of the whining and bitching that i hear. It sounds like a bunch of old women complaining about the cost of blue hair dye down the local store.
All the whining in the world will not change the decision, the Monaro is COMING, the deal has been signed. Lut isnt changing his mind because you saved your life savings for 20 yrs.
Half you people will probably end up buying one anyway. Further, if everyone here stated at the end of their post what car they drove you would find that more than half drive Camry's and Hondas. You lose your right to complain when you buy an Import than doesnt even come from the GM Stable. Now lets start bashing Fords and Rice Burners again, and wait for the GTO reviews before we start hating on it.


(for the record 95 Jimmy and wife has a 2000 Grand Am GT)

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[> [> Re: Losers -- josh, 19:57:37 06/17/03 Tue

>I am getting so sick and tired of the whining and
>bitching that i hear. It sounds like a bunch of old
>women complaining about the cost of blue hair dye down
>the local store.
>All the whining in the world will not change the
>decision, the Monaro is COMING, the deal has been
>signed. Lut isnt changing his mind because you saved
>your life savings for 20 yrs.
>Half you people will probably end up buying one
>anyway. Further, if everyone here stated at the end of
>their post what car they drove you would find that
>more than half drive Camry's and Hondas. You lose your
>right to complain when you buy an Import than doesnt
>even come from the GM Stable. Now lets start bashing
>Fords and Rice Burners again, and wait for the GTO
>reviews before we start hating on it.
>
>
i agree with u peopel need to get over it and realize times has changd so quit wining

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[> Re: Losers -- Already Done, 22:35:03 01/20/03 Mon

Look Einstein,

The only one whining and bitching is you. It is a GTO Web-Site that encourages comments on the 2004 GTO. If it bothers you so much to read the negative comments on the 2004 GTO then I would suggest that you quit logging on to the GTO Web-Sites and reading the comments. It does not bother me to read positive comments regarding the 2004 GTO. There are some posted from Australia and I am sure it is a fine car, but it is a poor choice to be a GTO and will not be able to compete with its competition

Unfortunately, you are probably right and the Monaro is coming and probably will not change, but that does not mean that consumers have to like it, lose their right to comment on it, or buy it.

Pontiac would have been smarter to keep the name Monaro on the current car and waited to develop a GTO. I believe that those that have stated their disappointment in the looks and horsepower of the 2004 GTO have done so in an intelligent way and have clearly articulated the reasons for it. Unlike you, who just seems to wants to snivel and try to slam people for their opposing opinions. You need to get a life and not let the fact that a large number of Pontiac fans are disappointed in Pontiac’s decision regarding the 2004 GTO. Hate to break it to you, but there are several other 2004 GTO Web-Sites out there and I would recommend that you not read those comments either.

Not only do I believe that half of us will not buy a 2004 GTO, but I also believe that the 2004 GTO will flop. Time will tell, and despite your dislike for ford, it is my bet that the 2004 Mustang is going to walk away with what could have been a lot of GTO sells. I am all for bashing Rice Burners, but I would not under estimate Ford or Mopar.


By the way, wrong again! I have purchased a new a car in 1997, 2000 and 2002 and have never owned a Camry or Honda. I own two out of the GM Stable, a Pontiac Grand Am, Chevy Truck and the other is a Jeep Wrangler Sahara.

I guess by your standards the fact that I own a Jeep means I lose my right to complain about the 2004 Pontiac GTO. Oh Well, Too Bad! The 2004 GTO is still under powered and looks to common to be a GTO!

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[> [> Re: Losers -- neal, 10:46:32 01/21/03 Tue

>Look Einstein,
>
>The only one whining and bitching is you. It is a GTO
>Web-Site that encourages comments on the 2004 GTO. If
>it bothers you so much to read the negative comments
>on the 2004 GTO then I would suggest that you quit
>logging on to the GTO Web-Sites and reading the
>comments. It does not bother me to read positive
>comments regarding the 2004 GTO. There are some
>posted from Australia and I am sure it is a fine car,
>but it is a poor choice to be a GTO and will not be
>able to compete with its competition
>
>Unfortunately, you are probably right and the Monaro
>is coming and probably will not change, but that does
>not mean that consumers have to like it, lose their
>right to comment on it, or buy it.
>
>Pontiac would have been smarter to keep the name
>Monaro on the current car and waited to develop a GTO.
> I believe that those that have stated their
>disappointment in the looks and horsepower of the 2004
>GTO have done so in an intelligent way and have
>clearly articulated the reasons for it. Unlike you,
>who just seems to wants to snivel and try to slam
>people for their opposing opinions. You need to get a
>life and not let the fact that a large number of
>Pontiac fans are disappointed in Pontiac’s decision
>regarding the 2004 GTO. Hate to break it to you, but
>there are several other 2004 GTO Web-Sites out there
>and I would recommend that you not read those comments
>either.
>
>Not only do I believe that half of us will not buy a
>2004 GTO, but I also believe that the 2004 GTO will
>flop. Time will tell, and despite your dislike for
>ford, it is my bet that the 2004 Mustang is going to
>walk away with what could have been a lot of GTO
>sells. I am all for bashing Rice Burners, but I would
>not under estimate Ford or Mopar.
>
>
>By the way, wrong again! I have purchased a new a car
>in 1997, 2000 and 2002 and have never owned a Camry or
>Honda. I own two out of the GM Stable, a Pontiac
>Grand Am, Chevy Truck and the other is a Jeep Wrangler
>Sahara.
>
>I guess by your standards the fact that I own a Jeep
>means I lose my right to complain about the 2004
>Pontiac GTO. Oh Well, Too Bad! The 2004 GTO is still
>under powered and looks to common to be a GTO!
hmmm. shut up! you obviously have no life, just remember this song to help you out! Snap, Crackle, Pop, get a life loser!!!!!

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[> [> [> Re: Losers/neal -- Bob, 18:34:47 01/21/03 Tue

>>Look Einstein,
>>
>>The only one whining and bitching is you. It is a GTO
>>Web-Site that encourages comments on the 2004 GTO. If
>>it bothers you so much to read the negative comments
>>on the 2004 GTO then I would suggest that you quit
>>logging on to the GTO Web-Sites and reading the
>>comments. It does not bother me to read positive
>>comments regarding the 2004 GTO. There are some
>>posted from Australia and I am sure it is a fine car,
>>but it is a poor choice to be a GTO and will not be
>>able to compete with its competition
>>
>>Unfortunately, you are probably right and the Monaro
>>is coming and probably will not change, but that does
>>not mean that consumers have to like it, lose their
>>right to comment on it, or buy it.
>>
>>Pontiac would have been smarter to keep the name
>>Monaro on the current car and waited to develop a GTO.
>> I believe that those that have stated their
>>disappointment in the looks and horsepower of the 2004
>>GTO have done so in an intelligent way and have
>>clearly articulated the reasons for it. Unlike you,
>>who just seems to wants to snivel and try to slam
>>people for their opposing opinions. You need to get a
>>life and not let the fact that a large number of
>>Pontiac fans are disappointed in Pontiac’s decision
>>regarding the 2004 GTO. Hate to break it to you, but
>>there are several other 2004 GTO Web-Sites out there
>>and I would recommend that you not read those comments
>>either.
>>
>>Not only do I believe that half of us will not buy a
>>2004 GTO, but I also believe that the 2004 GTO will
>>flop. Time will tell, and despite your dislike for
>>ford, it is my bet that the 2004 Mustang is going to
>>walk away with what could have been a lot of GTO
>>sells. I am all for bashing Rice Burners, but I would
>>not under estimate Ford or Mopar.
>>
>>
>>By the way, wrong again! I have purchased a new a car
>>in 1997, 2000 and 2002 and have never owned a Camry or
>>Honda. I own two out of the GM Stable, a Pontiac
>>Grand Am, Chevy Truck and the other is a Jeep Wrangler
>>Sahara.
>>
>>I guess by your standards the fact that I own a Jeep
>>means I lose my right to complain about the 2004
>>Pontiac GTO. Oh Well, Too Bad! The 2004 GTO is still
>>under powered and looks to common to be a GTO!

hmmm. shut up! you obviously have no life, just
>remember this song to help you out! Snap, Crackle,
>Pop, get a life loser!!!!!

Oh come on Neal at crocotor@hotmail, is that the best that you can do? What do you want me to say? sticks and stone will break my bones? A little childish don’t you think? What’s the problem? Can not write, spell or put a sentence together. Open a book some time it may help!

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[> [> Re: Losers -- I may be Einstein, 09:56:19 01/22/03 Wed

Einstein is it?
Well look here Bubba Ray...you are one of those white trash redneck idiots that gives the US muscle car fraternity a bad name. Do you understand the concept of styling? I bet your one of those people that thinks Cladding = cool.
Me big Pontiac fan, me like big scoop...So you would like GM to Grab a Boeing 747 Turbine as a hood scoop, grab the roof off the Louisiana Superdome as a rear wing and oh while they are at it...put in one of those fancy fake chain steering wheels.
Most of us Americans wont give the GTO a chance because it wasnt designed here, but when it succeeds we will claim it as our own and say it was basically US designed.
Got Cladding.........?

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[> [> [> getting a little personal aren't we -- Matthew Burns, 00:23:27 01/23/03 Thu

look guys, don't get personal. it aint worth it... this is an internet message board, and you guys are getting pissed at people that you don't ever really know.

take a look around and see just how trivial this all really is.

and as fas as resulting toattacking ones intelect is downright immature, as is getting pissed about something like this.

christ guys, take a breather get layed or something, just relax....

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- The car guy, 03:14:49 09/23/03 Tue

Monaro is a great car. Pontiac GTO, LEGEND. The new Gto has great power, but is way two expensive for a car that looks like a Trans Am. I hope changes are made. It looks like a import car. If changes aren't going to be made on the style of the round lookin "sentra", if the deal already has been made.......then pontiac just lost a customer.

P.s. They should make the alloy wheels 18 inch.

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- Ralph Johnson, 09:05:42 05/30/04 Sun

I have now had my GTO for 3 weeks and am very pleased, with the exception of 2 items.

1. No trunk to speak of. When they moved the fuel tank above the diff to comply with rear-end collision safety, they lost most of the trunk space.

2. You cannot have the windows cracked if it is raining. Airflow causes water to come in to the back of the window.

Good points:
1. Faster than my other 2 goats in stock trim (a 67 and a 73)

2. I averaged 28 MPG on my last trip to ChiTown from Mpls. (at 73 MPH average)

3. Great throaty sound.

There are many other points that I could cover, but so far, I am pleased with the power and torque that it produces. It revs freely to 6000 rpm, and the gas mileage actually got better the faster I went on the highway (due to the tall gearing).

I can say, that it was well worth the wait!
With today's fuel prices, the mileage is a plus, while still having all the "play power" that I need.

I get pulled over by Johnny Law a lot! Not for violations, but they just want to check the car out.

Perfect car for a mid-life crisis (I'm 46).

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- Lance, 10:13:35 09/30/04 Thu

Well as far as you are all certified experts on the subject of the goat... Please remember that the divisions of GM and their ability to bring a badge back, with new tech enhancments and balls to the wall power for under 30K, You have to feel proud behind the wheel of such a remarkable machine. I own a 2004 Yellow jacket. Plan on installing a eaton SC in a week or so. this car sticks to the road like the painted lines under it. Plenty of power through redline. and with minor tuning you can peel the rubber off your tires in the first 3 gears. The Ls1 has all the power you can ask for and is very easy to mod with the ample amuont of aftermarket parts. One on the nice issues everyone overlooks is this car is a sleeper. If the badges ae removed you would not even know what you were p against. A very nice corvette for half the prive. I gave 22K for mine NEW from the dealer. Shit you cannot even buy a hyundai for that anymoe. So all you old timers who are bitching about the goat restyling. go f- yourselves as you will be dead soon anyway. Maybe they will bury you with your old tech steel coffin. Long live the pontiac GTO.

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[> [> Re: 2004 GTO -- Tom, 16:09:53 10/18/04 Mon

Lance, Where did you find one for $22,000 ? I'm shopping and the best deal I've found in the chicago area is about 28500.00 plus taxes.
Thanks

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- monaroCountry, 07:24:32 10/01/04 Fri

The monaro is also a muscle car legend. It was one of the first muscle cars in australia and was able to back its reputation up both in drags and also in the track. Handling wasnt the best part of the old pontiac gto, this was unlike the monaro of old. Where it won bathurst and other races.

I didnt grow up around american muscle cars (esp. gto). Looking at the old gto styling I certainly wouldnt call them distinctive or even good styling. The old gto's styling were also very BORING and seem to be very COMMON. Look at all the cars in the 60s and 70s, many were boxy and had the same style as the GTO. As someone mentioned here before, hoodscoops does not make a car.

Some of you guys are abit IGNORANT of the monaro's history. I suggest that it would be best to do a bit of research before typing any more disparaging comments.

Unlike america, australia stayed true to the muscle philosophy. It could be that you have forgotn what TRUE muscle cars stood for. From what I remember Styling and looks were not as important as engine and performance. No one can deny that this car can perform, since it has the vette engine and tranny.

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[> 04 Goat -- ram09, 22:57:15 10/05/04 Tue

I have owned my 04 GTO for about two and a half weeks and I LOVE IT. After reading the postings on this page it seems that most people dont like the styling of the new GTO, and the fact that its built in Australia. But you must remember with no hood scoops and no extreme styling, this car is basically a sleeper. I drive 80 miles a day to and from work and I pass numerous City and Highway patrol officers and I have yet to even see any of them look my way. Now when it comes to a Mustang, not only do I see them gettting pulled over all the time but there are thousands of them in the area I live in. That is one of the reasons I bought the new Goat, not very many people have them. If GM has to go down under to get a little balls back in its car lineup so be it. I for one am glad that GM is finally building something that can compete with the Mustang, and not be a Vette. Many of the people that have posted on this site have said that the Chevy engine in the Pontiac isnt right. Well look at all the other GM cars and trucks they all have the same design of engine in them. Chevy didnt design the LS-1 G.M. did and it uses them in all kinds of vehicles. Ever notice how the motors in the G.M. and Chevy trucks can use parts off the LS1 and LS6. G.M. has always been know to keep things interchangable, it keeps costs down. Alot of the people dedicated to the old Goat dont like the new one for many of these reasons. But I ask can there old goat get 27 mpg at 70 mph. Ya they probably can out run my car but my car got a warranty and this car scarces the hell outta me when I get on it. I like the old classics, but I wanted to have a new car that will run like hell on wheels. Sounds alot like some of you older guys when you were young and buying the now classics like the Camaro and GTO's. The New GTO was brought back not only to commerate the 40th anniversary of the Goat but for the young guns like me that know what GTO stands for and wants to get a piece of that history. No its not built in America, no it doesnt have the most horsepower in the world, but it does have 350 and as most people know the LS1 is very easily moidified to make more power. The 05 has 400 and for the nostalgic guys out there it has hood scoops. I dont know if there functional or not but the original scoops on the very first goat werent functional either. The 05 goat also has dual exhaust coming out each side in the back. I personally like the look of both of the pipes coming out of one side. Kinda makes all those would be racers think its a fake dual when its not. If you older guys dont like the new goat thats fine with me dont buy one. But until you test drive one dont knock it till ya try it.

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[> Re: 2004 GTO -- Larry (happy), 21:45:04 01/12/08 Sat

All 2004 GTO lovers.I have a 2004 GTO with 825 miles on it. I would like to find it a good home.Im awaiting the new camaro.The GTO was purchased in 2007 from a dealer with all factory warranty.Never titled until 2007.FUN CAR to put it mildly.If anyone would like to own probably one of the lowest mileage 2004 GTO's.For a modest price of 30,000.Feel free to email me at akincer1@triad.rr.com

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