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Date Posted: 21:27:24 03/16/11 Wed
Author: Lois
Subject: Re: daily lenten scripture readings: friday march 18, 2011.
In reply to: George 's message, "Re: daily lenten scripture readings: friday march 18, 2011." on 20:02:42 03/16/11 Wed

>>daily lenten scripture readings: friday march 18,
>2011.
>>
>>
>>Psalm 121
>>
>>
>>Psalm 121
>>Assurance of God's Protection
>>A Song of Ascents.
>> 1 I lift up my eyes to the hills--
>>from where will my help come?
>>2 My help comes from the LORD,
>> who made heaven and earth.
>>3 He will not let your foot be moved;
>> he who keeps you will not slumber.
>>4 He who keeps Israel
>> will neither slumber nor sleep.
>>5 The LORD is your keeper;
>> the LORD is your shade at your right hand.
>>6 The sun shall not strike you by day,
>> nor the moon by night.
>>7 The LORD will keep you from all evil;
>> he will keep your life.
>>8 The LORD will keep
>> your going out and your coming in
>> from this time on and forevermore.
>>Psalms 121:1-8 (NRSV)
>>
>>
>>Micah 7:18-20
>>
>>
>>God's Compassion and Steadfast Love
>>18 Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity
>>
>>and passing over the transgression
>> of the remnant of your possession?
>>He does not retain his anger forever,
>> because he delights in showing clemency.
>>19 He will again have compassion upon us;
>> he will tread our iniquities under foot.
>>You will cast all our sins
>> into the depths of the sea.
>>20 You will show faithfulness to Jacob
>> and unswerving loyalty to Abraham,
>>as you have sworn to our ancestors
>> from the days of old.
>>Micah 7:18-20 (NRSV)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Romans 3:21-31
>>
>>
>>Righteousness through Faith
>> 21 But now, apart from law, the righteousness of
>>God has been disclosed, and is attested by the law and
>>the prophets, 22 the righteousness of God through
>>faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there
>>is no distinction, 23 since all have sinned and fall
>>short of the glory of God; 24 they are now justified
>>by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is
>>in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a
>>sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through
>>faith. He did this to show his righteousness, because
>>in his divine forbearance he had passed over the sins
>>previously committed; 26 it was to prove at the
>>present time that he himself is righteous and that he
>>justifies the one who has faith in Jesus.
>>
>> 27 Then what becomes of boasting? It is
>>excluded. By what law? By that of works? No, but by
>>the law of faith. 28 For we hold that a person is
>>justified by faith apart from works prescribed by the
>>law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the
>>God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also, 30 since
>>God is one; and he will justify the circumcised on the
>>ground of faith and the uncircumcised through that
>>same faith. 31 Do we then overthrow the law by this
>>faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the
>>law.
>>Romans 3:21-31 (NRSV)
>
>
>John, I hope you will point out to the lurkers that
>the same apostle who wrote the above passage also
>wrote "th epistle to the Romans, chapter 1 (as well as
>the rest of the "epistle to the Romans)
>
>18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
>against all ungodliness and wickedness of those who by
>their wickedness suppress the truth. 19 For what can
>be known about God is plain to them, because God has
>shown it to them.
>
>So they are without excuse; 21 for thought they knew
>God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to
>himn, but they became futie in their thinking, and
>their senseless minds were darkened. 22 Claiming to be
>wise, they became fools; 23 and they exchanged the
>glory of the immortal God for images resembling a
>mortal human being or birds or fourfooted animals or
>reptiles. 24 Therefore, God gave them up to the lusts
>of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their
>bodies among themselves, 25 because they exchanged the
>truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the
>creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed
>forever! Amen.
>
>25 For this reason God gave them up to degrading
>passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse
>for unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men,
>givng up natural intercourse with women, were consumed
>with passion for one another. Men committed shameless
>acts with men and received in their own persons the
>due penalty for their error.
>
>Romans 1:18-19, 20d-27
>
>You see, John, the CofC claims that the practice of
>men having sex with men and women having sex with
>women is blessed by God as a divine manifestation of
>His love, and that the church must be turned inside
>out to accomodate this blessed divine homosexual
>lifestyle.
>
>As such, I consider it to be hypocritical to the
>maximum for a CofC priest to post any verses from
>Romans whatsoever, be the post from whatever
>translation he selects. You see, if a church does not
>accept the first chapter of the Book of Romans as
>accurate and truthful revelation from God, then it has
>no business using any other part of Romans.
>
>To eliminate the hypocrisy in this post, John, please
>state clearly for lurkers the official CofC policy
>regarding same-sex shacking up ceremonies and opposite
>sex shacking up ceremonies, so that the lurkers will
>be under no misconception that the CofC has the least
>interest in what St. Paul has to say, nor considers it
>of any real value, other than a propaganda tool for
>dealing with outsiders ignorant of what actually goes
>on inside the CofC.
>
>I'll not suggest this time, John, I'll ask. Does the
>CofC recommend giving up the practice of homosexuality
>for Lent? Even temporarily? Apparently the CofC likes
>what Paul said about being justified by faith. They
>just don't want to dwell on the fact that he also said
>that sexual perversion is a sign of faithlessness. How
>is an avid practitioner of perverted sex able to be
>"saved by faith," and Paul speaks of in glowing terms,
>when Paul, in the same letter, clearly says that the
>homosexual lifestyle is an infallible sign that such a
>practitioner never had any faith whatsoever, or lost
>whatever faith he used to have.
>
>Homosexuality is like adultery, John. It is an
>iniquity that God will not "tread underfoot" to
>eliminate it unless the person asking for such an
>elimination of guilt agrees to give it up.
>
>Wally complained that some on this forum mocked those
>with whom they disagree. Posting these scriptures
>before our eyes, when we know the CofC real position
>regarding them mocks us and insults our intelligence.
>
>George

For the lurkers. Yes indeed. John's posting of any part of Romans is hypocritical.

from the Community of Christ
http://www.cofchrist.org/USAConf/01-2011NatlConf.pdf

"The delegate conference, July 18�22, 2012, in Independence, Missouri, will determine the level of support for

1.) Extending the sacrament of marriage to persons of the same sex/gender OR providing a church-recognized way for two persons of the same sex/gender to publicly express their commitment to each other.

2.) Allowing people in committed, monogamous, long-term, same sex/gender relationships (legal marriage, civil union, church-recognized commitment) to be considered for ordination.

The delegates� common consent will determine if present policies will remain in place or new policies will need to be written and implemented.

These are difficult issues......"

signed by Linda L. Booth, Stassi D. Cramm, Ronald D. Harmon Jr., Rick W. Maupin, and K. Scott Murphy
USA Team of Apostles

http://www.cofchrist.org/wc2002/sermons/Grant2002.asp No longer there.
Called to Discipleship: Coming Home in Search of the Path
W. Grant McMurray 2002 World Conference Address April 7, 2002

�I am not in the habit of telling our delegates how they should vote, but I am about to make an exception. I request the delegates to this World Conference to table or refer all pending legislation on homosexuality so that we can avoid actions that will be divisive and shape a process by which a broader understanding and consensus can be built. I will ask the Standing High Council to participate with others in looking anew at this matter, seeking issues on which we can surely agree (God's love of all people, fidelity, the value of family, the sacredness of sexuality as part of creation) and shaping dialogue in areas where we do not agree (the blessing of same-sex relationships, standards for ordination, the interpretation and authority of scripture).

In the meantime, I ask the Community of Christ to be willing to live with us on the boundary for a while. To do this means that we may not have a policy that guides every decision, but we will have to trust the Holy Spirit to accompany us in our choices. It means that some parts of the church may function differently from other parts of the church and there will be distinctions that are occasionally unsettling but representative of the diversity of our body, both in terms of viewpoints and cultures. We recognize that certain national governments have requirements that our local church leaders in those nations will need to respect and interpret in accordance with their own cultural understandings.

Because of these many differences, our church stands in the midst of much ambiguity and inconsistency. We have a twenty-year-old statement from the Standing High Council that serves as official guidance, but has not been universally adhered to throughout the church. I will be totally honest and acknowledge that I have myself participated in situations where its provisions were not honored. I have been present in conferences where persons I knew to be in long-term, committed homosexual relationships were approved for priesthood in jurisdictions where their lifestyle was known and their ministry was accepted. The conflict within me was between lawgiver and pastor. To enforce the policy would have required me to intervene and prevent the ordination of someone whose call to ministry I could not deny. This I could not do. This I will not do.�

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