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Date Posted: 00:52:02 12/04/11 Sun
Author: George
Subject: Re: Does the c-not-of-c know Jesus?
In reply to: Lois 's message, "Does the c-not-of-c know Jesus?" on 11:19:33 12/03/11 Sat

>
>George asked this question, �The great paradox that
>the situation always returns to is that, if the Bible
>sucks and can't be relied on for anything definite,
>why does the Community of Christ like Jesus so much?
>After all, pretty much the only thing we know about
>Jesus is in the Bible.�
>
>I believe that the c-not-of-c does not rely on the
>Bible, (or the Book of Mormon, or the Doctrine of
>Covenants) to know Jesus. And therefore, they do
>not know Jesus.
>
>No, they rely upon silly feel good nonsense. (That is
>the nice word.)
>
> >href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantra">http://en.wi
>kipedia.org/wiki/Mantra
>
>"A mantra (Tib.སྔགས་
>ngak; Wyl. sngags) [1] is a sound, syllable, word, or
>group of words that is considered capable of "creating
>transformation" (cf. spiritual transformation).[2] Its
>use and type varies according to the school and
>philosophy associated with the mantra.[3]"
>
>Here is a small example.
>
> >href="http://www.cofchrist.org/worship/Samples/WeOpenOu
>rselvestotheSpirit.pdf">http://www.cofchrist.org/worshi
>p/Samples/WeOpenOurselvestotheSpirit.pdf
>
>What this all allows them to do is to open themselves
>up to deceiving spirits. These deceiving spirits
>don�t even need to come from outside, since many of
>them don�t believe that Satan exists. But it allows
>them to look at the innermost carnal desires and
>convince themselves that �the spirit� is moving within
>them to allow them to indulge in any big or small
>desire that they may have.
>
>So, forget about learning about Jesus Christ from the
>scriptures. Make it all up as you go along. No
>wonder they are so messed up.
>
>Lois
>
>Om Aum Om
>
>PAPER #3, First Presidency Meetings (Community of
>Christ), January 9, 1979, 1:45 p.m.
>THE IDENTITY OF THE CHURCHPage 2
>The message of the gospel is concerned with the
>deepest human needs. It offers no solutions for the
>problem of collective evil, the question of death, nor
>even a solution for sin. The gospel is the
>assurance that all is changed in Christ.
>
>Aum Om Aum

The fallacy and hypocrisy of the apostate argument to justify uncontrolled, unrepentant homosexuality is readily exposed by noting the Old Testament commandments that Jesus did not specifically address. There are hundreds of commandments in the Old Testament that Jesus did not address. Jesus' lack of comment on them does not automatically mean that these commandments are no longer in force. What it would really mean is that these commandments are still in force because Jesus never sat down and went through them all with an audience to give a clearly spoken, audible, and recorded ruling on each. Nowhere did Jesus say, "It is written that a man who lies with another man as with womankind shall be put to death, but I tell you that it is not so."

Now the apostles who walked with Jesus during his mortal life did instruct the church at length on what commandments were no longer in force, and which ones were. But in the case of homosexuality, the apostles' biblical counsel is completely ignored, because the modern church does not want to hear it-- at all. So if Jesus is the only Biblical personage we can listen to on matters of importance such as homosexuality, and Jesus said nothing about it during the incarnation, then Jesus' previous commandments given to Moses (and written down) would still be in force. All of them.

How can we possibly hearken to the musings and counsel of modern apostles who propose to modify and "revision" the Christian faith, when they themselves absolutely reject any historic effort by the real and authentic apostles to explain and delineate the Christian faith? If no one but Jesus himself as quoted in a red-letter Bible (to the exclusion of any other Biblical prophet or apostle) can be trusted, then there is absolutely no justification whatsoever for listening to anything that Wallace B. Smith, W. Grant McMurray, or Steve Veazey have to say on Christian doctrine and practice. After all, none of them is Jesus. Whether their comments are written down, or remain agraphic, their comments are, by their own scriptural commentary on the apostolic teachings regarding homosexuality, rendered absolutely worthless.

In short, the liberals proclaim the 12 apostles and the President of the church to be the equals of the original twelve who walked with Jesus. However, if the message of the original twelve can be dispensed with whenever it is inconvenient, there is no reason that any or all of the 114,000 members of the Community of Christ cannot reject any revelation from the modern apostles as stupid or inconvenient. After all the modern apostles in the CofC themselves have established the precedent once and for all.

Were I to meet a modern apostle who justifies homosexuality by saying that only Jesus' assumed silence on it counts, not St. Paul's lengthy guidance, I would have to say to him, "I respect you the same way you respect St. Paul, and I think you are just as full of it as you think that he is."

George

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