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Date Posted: 18:40:30 01/14/00 Fri
Author: Sybilia
Subject: Re: CSM/Mulder/Fowley
In reply to: Stardoe 's message, "Re: Biogenisis Trilogy" on 00:35:40 01/13/00 Thu

Hi yourself,

Yeah, even if Mulder really is his son (and it's pretty obvious there was something very intense between him and Mrs. Mulder once upon a time) it's not as though CSM and Mulder have ever had any sort of relationship other than an adversarial one. He may respect Mulder, even be proud of him in a way, but it's not as though they really even know one another well as people. Besides, I rather suspect CSM would see liking or loving people as a luxury he cannot afford. He might prefer that Mulder not die, but he'd sacrifice him if he felt it necessary.

I'm not so sure Fowley had Mulder's best interests at heart back in "One Son". I don't think she had a true idea of how much danger Mulder was in until they got in that operating room and she realized CSM was perfectly aware the procedure could kill Mulder and was prepared to go ahead with it anyway. For the first time, I think she got a true picture of what CSM is all about. There's a term I picked up from "Law and Order" that I think perfectly describes his attitude - depraved indifference. I quite like the character (hmmm...no doubt this says something profoundly disturbing about the state of my mental health), but I would be more than a little frightened to have my fate in his hands.

Sybilia

> I have since come to realise that although I was
> correct in assuming that CSM was always out to protect
> Mulder I have now come to the conclusion that he has
> been protecting Mulder for selfish reasons rather than
> because of any true feeling for Mulder. Even though he
> said he was proud of Mulder it doesn't mean he likes
> or loves Mulder, son or not. What made me realise this
> was the way CSM smiled up at Fowley from the operating
> table when he said "I will carrry the burden from now
> on." It was a very devious looking smile. Diana was
> clearly not impressed. She obviously knows what CSM is
> like from , as you say, all her previous involvement
> with him. I think the only reason she decided in One
> Son to help CSM was to save Mulder coz she knows that
> CSM has no lyalty to Mulder except for what he is or
> is carrying. I don't know what CSM planned to do with
> Mulder after the operation so I guess Fowley decided
> to help Scully find him and that way he would be safe.
> And maybe she did really love him.
>
> Stardoe
>
>
> > Diana may well have really cared about Mulder and
> > tried to save him in the end, and I agree that it was
> > obvious she was pretty upset in the operating room.
> > However, I'm not entirely sure that her involvement
> > with CSM was in order to save Mulder. My impression
> > was always that she was working for CSM, maybe even
> > when she and Mulder were together before, that her
> > really falling in love with him was never part of the
> > plan. I don't think she realized the lengths to which
> > CSM was prepared to go, what he's really capable of.
> > Don't misunderstand, I think CSM has tried to protect
> > Mulder as best he could all these years, but if he
> > believed it necessary I think he would sacrifice him
> > in a heartbeat. He might feel bad about it, but he'd
> > probably do it. And even though we didn't get to see
> > the body (a major disappointment) I do believe Diana
> > Fowley is indeed very, very dead. I think CSM found
> > out about her betrayl (for this how he would see it)
> > and had her killed. Hmmm...first Spender, now Fowley.
> > How can you not love a man like that?
> >
> > Well at long last I have had the pleasure of getting
> > > my hands on the Biogenisis/6th Extinction/Amor Fati
> > > tape. What can I say?It was great. Loved Scully's
> > hair
> > > in the last 2/3s of the show. Except the end.
> > >
> > > I used to think Mulder's reaction to Diana's death
> > was
> > > that he disagreed with Scully's redeeming comments
> > > about Diana. But knowing what I know now I think he
> > > realised that Diana wasn't as bad as he thought
> after
> > > reading her mind during her false little talk with
> > > him. He may have realised she really did mean what
> > she
> > > said. And I also noticed that during her liason
> with
> > > CSM involving Mulder's "operation" she was very
> > > concerned for Mulder. That is why she involved
> > herself
> > > with CSM in the first place, to save Mulder. I
> always
> > > maintained that CSM was out to protect and
> ultimately
> > > save Mulder. Who remembers my little rants on the
> old
> > > boards about that? I'm glad it turned out to be
> true.
> > > [so far as we know]
> > >
> > > As for Mrs Mulder, I didn't think she was at all
> > cold.
> > > After all, she said "I love you my darling boy" She
> > > obviously gave him to CSM in order to have the
> chance
> > > of saving him and relieving him of the burden of
> > > carrying the genetic hybridity. She didn't answer
> > > Scully's calls because she didn't want her to have
> > the
> > > chance of stopping the procedure. I have always
> found
> > > Mrs Mulder to be huggy with Mulder and he with her.
> > > Not as sincerely demonstrative as Mrs Scully but it
> > > takes all kinds to make a galaxy. I don't think she
> > > was uncaring in this show at all.
> > >
> > > The best part of this show was after it ended and I
> > > was treated to a "Making of Biogenisis" programme
> > > where Frank Spotnitz gave a little talk and Mitch
> > > Pileggi gave alot of talk about Skinner and whose
> > side
> > > he is really on. And they showed behind the scenes
> > > stuff which was great. We never get to see stuff
> like
> > > that here very often. Infact hardly ever.
> > >
> > > Well that is all I can think of off the top of my
> > head
> > > for now. Have to watch the show again and take
> > notes.
> > >
> > > Stardoe

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Interesting thoughts Sybilia. I se what you mean about Fowley getting the clear picture of CSM NIM -- Stardoe, 03:21:34 01/15/00 Sat