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Date Posted: 03:21:34 01/15/00 Sat
Author: Stardoe
Subject: Interesting thoughts Sybilia. I se what you mean about Fowley getting the clear picture of CSM NIM
In reply to: Sybilia 's message, "Re: CSM/Mulder/Fowley" on 18:40:30 01/14/00 Fri

> Hi yourself,
>
> Yeah, even if Mulder really is his son (and it's
> pretty obvious there was something very intense
> between him and Mrs. Mulder once upon a time) it's not
> as though CSM and Mulder have ever had any sort of
> relationship other than an adversarial one. He may
> respect Mulder, even be proud of him in a way, but
> it's not as though they really even know one another
> well as people. Besides, I rather suspect CSM would
> see liking or loving people as a luxury he cannot
> afford. He might prefer that Mulder not die, but he'd
> sacrifice him if he felt it necessary.
>
> I'm not so sure Fowley had Mulder's best interests at
> heart back in "One Son". I don't think she had a true
> idea of how much danger Mulder was in until they got
> in that operating room and she realized CSM was
> perfectly aware the procedure could kill Mulder and
> was prepared to go ahead with it anyway. For the first
> time, I think she got a true picture of what CSM is
> all about. There's a term I picked up from "Law and
> Order" that I think perfectly describes his attitude -
> depraved indifference. I quite like the character
> (hmmm...no doubt this says something profoundly
> disturbing about the state of my mental health), but I
> would be more than a little frightened to have my fate
> in his hands.
>
> Sybilia
>
>
> > I have since come to realise that although I was
> > correct in assuming that CSM was always out to
> protect
> > Mulder I have now come to the conclusion that he has
> > been protecting Mulder for selfish reasons rather
> than
> > because of any true feeling for Mulder. Even though
> he
> > said he was proud of Mulder it doesn't mean he likes
> > or loves Mulder, son or not. What made me realise
> this
> > was the way CSM smiled up at Fowley from the
> operating
> > table when he said "I will carrry the burden from now
> > on." It was a very devious looking smile. Diana was
> > clearly not impressed. She obviously knows what CSM
> is
> > like from , as you say, all her previous involvement
> > with him. I think the only reason she decided in One
> > Son to help CSM was to save Mulder coz she knows that
> > CSM has no lyalty to Mulder except for what he is or
> > is carrying. I don't know what CSM planned to do with
> > Mulder after the operation so I guess Fowley decided
> > to help Scully find him and that way he would be
> safe.
> > And maybe she did really love him.
> >
> > Stardoe
> >
> >
> > > Diana may well have really cared about Mulder and
> > > tried to save him in the end, and I agree that it
> was
> > > obvious she was pretty upset in the operating room.
> > > However, I'm not entirely sure that her involvement
> > > with CSM was in order to save Mulder. My impression
> > > was always that she was working for CSM, maybe even
> > > when she and Mulder were together before, that her
> > > really falling in love with him was never part of
> the
> > > plan. I don't think she realized the lengths to
> which
> > > CSM was prepared to go, what he's really capable
> of.
> > > Don't misunderstand, I think CSM has tried to
> protect
> > > Mulder as best he could all these years, but if he
> > > believed it necessary I think he would sacrifice
> him
> > > in a heartbeat. He might feel bad about it, but
> he'd
> > > probably do it. And even though we didn't get to
> see
> > > the body (a major disappointment) I do believe
> Diana
> > > Fowley is indeed very, very dead. I think CSM found
> > > out about her betrayl (for this how he would see
> it)
> > > and had her killed. Hmmm...first Spender, now
> Fowley.
> > > How can you not love a man like that?
> > >
> > > Well at long last I have had the pleasure of
> getting
> > > > my hands on the Biogenisis/6th Extinction/Amor
> Fati
> > > > tape. What can I say?It was great. Loved Scully's
> > > hair
> > > > in the last 2/3s of the show. Except the end.
> > > >
> > > > I used to think Mulder's reaction to Diana's
> death
> > > was
> > > > that he disagreed with Scully's redeeming
> comments
> > > > about Diana. But knowing what I know now I think
> he
> > > > realised that Diana wasn't as bad as he thought
> > after
> > > > reading her mind during her false little talk
> with
> > > > him. He may have realised she really did mean
> what
> > > she
> > > > said. And I also noticed that during her liason
> > with
> > > > CSM involving Mulder's "operation" she was very
> > > > concerned for Mulder. That is why she involved
> > > herself
> > > > with CSM in the first place, to save Mulder. I
> > always
> > > > maintained that CSM was out to protect and
> > ultimately
> > > > save Mulder. Who remembers my little rants on the
> > old
> > > > boards about that? I'm glad it turned out to be
> > true.
> > > > [so far as we know]
> > > >
> > > > As for Mrs Mulder, I didn't think she was at all
> > > cold.
> > > > After all, she said "I love you my darling boy"
> She
> > > > obviously gave him to CSM in order to have the
> > chance
> > > > of saving him and relieving him of the burden of
> > > > carrying the genetic hybridity. She didn't answer
> > > > Scully's calls because she didn't want her to
> have
> > > the
> > > > chance of stopping the procedure. I have always
> > found
> > > > Mrs Mulder to be huggy with Mulder and he with
> her.
> > > > Not as sincerely demonstrative as Mrs Scully but
> it
> > > > takes all kinds to make a galaxy. I don't think
> she
> > > > was uncaring in this show at all.
> > > >
> > > > The best part of this show was after it ended
> and I
> > > > was treated to a "Making of Biogenisis" programme
> > > > where Frank Spotnitz gave a little talk and Mitch
> > > > Pileggi gave alot of talk about Skinner and whose
> > > side
> > > > he is really on. And they showed behind the
> scenes
> > > > stuff which was great. We never get to see stuff
> > like
> > > > that here very often. Infact hardly ever.
> > > >
> > > > Well that is all I can think of off the top of my
> > > head
> > > > for now. Have to watch the show again and take
> > > notes.
> > > >
> > > > Stardoe

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