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Date Posted: 22:02:42 05/15/02 Wed
Author: Perceptor II
Subject: Just because I care, Icon. ;-)
In reply to: Icon 's message, "Further" on 20:49:18 05/15/02 Wed

>>Our society is not automatically patriarchal. Our
>>political power structure is, as are, ironically, the
>>majority of Christian worship groups, such as the
>>Catholic Church.
>That's very naive of you to say.

And that's very patronsiing of you to say.

How so?

As it tends to be the politicians and religious leaders (to differening proportions) who define the society we live in, it's a self fulfilling loop to assume that

But in classically liberal societies (such as those of the European Union nations, Canada, the United States, Austrailia, etc), who our leaders are is determined by the people at large. Even in religious institutions, the leaders lead at the consent of those they lead, since either they are elected into that position or if not the people leave to find a place more to their liking. While a leader does exert an inordinate influence upon the people he or she leads, he or she would not be able to ascend to that position without sharing the values of the society as a whole. So the society creates its leaders more than the leaders create society.

I would also add that in many stereotypical but still valid, scenarios the family unit is still frequently dominated by the mother figure in internal matters, the father being more repsonsible for external matters.

This just further proves my point, that men and women are different, that they have different subcultures within our common culture that exert different pressures and influences upon the two genders, and that every once in a while the two sides need to be addressed on their own.

There's also the old saw that women allow men to deal with the politics so they can get on with the real work!

You're not saying that politics is "men's work", are you? ;-)

Also, I'm a bit confused. First you say that the politicians define society, then you suggest that they are very irrelevent. Which is it?

I'd prefer to do it, not by being negative about what was, but about being positive about what is and can be. About stressing the need for equity as a given, not a goal. By putting forward an inspiring concept which can be appreciated as a logical solution by both genders.

You've got to be both negative and positive. There's still a lot of regressive attitudes in our society, we've just pushed them a little below the surface so we can fool ourselves in to thinking that we have gender or racial equity solved and give ourselves a pat on the back. Yes, we've come a long way, but we've still got a long way to do. There is still a lot wrong that needs to be torn down, but a vision of the positive and good must also be emphasized to replace it.

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