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Date Posted: 23:48:30 05/05/02 Sun
Author: seth
Author Host/IP: 205.188.199.151
Subject: Re: Bill
In reply to: Liz 's message, "Bill" on 11:21:41 04/28/02 Sun

HI BILL. I AM NEW TO THIS MESSAGE BOARD THING BUT I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH DEPRESSION BOTH PERSONALLY AND FROM A OBSERVERS POINT OF VIEW. FROM WHAT I READ YOU SAID YOU ARE SEEING YOUR PASTOR FOR COUNSELING. BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT ISN'T HELPING YOU TOO MUCH. YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER SEEKING THE GUIDANCE OF A PROFESSIONAL, EITHER A PSYCHOLOGIST OR A SOCIAL WORKER WHO CONDUCTS THERAPY. ARE YOU BEING TREATED BY A PSYCHIATRIST CURRENTLY AND IF SO ARE THE MEDICATIONS YOU ARE TAKING HELPING YOU? HAVE YOU TRIED ANY NATURAL OR ALTERNATIVE THERAPIES LIKE EXERCISE, NUTRITION, AND MEDITATION/SPIRITUALITY? IF NOT YOU MIGHT WANT TO GIVE THESE THINGS A TRY. EVERYTHING WORKS TOGETHER. THE MEDS, THERAPY, EXERCISE PARTICULARLY AEROBIC EXERCISE, NUTRITION, AND SPIRITUALITY. WHEN I SAY SPIRITUALITY I AM NOT NECESSARILY REFERRING TO RELIGION. RATHER WHAT I AM REFERRING TO IS A STRONG FAITH IN YOURSELF AND GOD WHICH ARE BASICALLY ONE IN THE SAME. GOD IS NOT OUTSIDE OF YOU OR SEPARATE FROM YOU. YOU MAY SOMETIMES FEEL THAT HE OR SHE IS BUT THAT IS ONLY AN ILLUSION. YOU ARE NOT BEING PUNISHED EITHER ALTHOUGH YOU MAY FEEL AT TIMES THAT YOU ARE. BUT THIS IS AN ILLUSION AS WELL! ITS A MINDSET THAT YOU HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED TO BELIEVE AND LIVE YOUR LIFE ACCORDING TO THIS SET OF BELIEFS. NOW ITS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE BIPOLAR ILLNESS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THESE FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS. VERY POSSIBLE. THE SO CALLED CHEMICAL IMBALANCE. THIS IS ANOTHER ISSUE. THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT YOU ARE NOT YOUR "ILLNESS" AND YOU ARE NOT YOUR PROBLEMS. YOU ARE MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE THAN WHAT YOU PERCIEVE YOURSELF TO BE AND GOD WILL NOT OR HAS NOT GIVEN UP ON YOU. YOU ONLY PERCIEVE THIS TO BE THE CASE. I KNOW THIS IS TRUE BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN IN YOUR SITUATION MANY TIMES OVER, DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES BUT NONETHELESS A DEEP HOPELESSNESS AND DESPAIR AND A DESIRE TO END IT ALL! BUT I DIDN'T. I SURVIVED. AND WHAT I NOW SEE AT THE OTHER END OF THE TUNNEL IS SOMETHING THAT I NEVER SAW BEFORE AT LEAST NOT COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY. WHAT THAT SOMETHING IS IS MY TRUE NATURE OR MY TRUE SELF. I DON'T MEAN TO GET ALL PHILOSOPHICAL ON YOU BILL BUT WHAT I AM TRYING TO TELL YOU IS IN REALITY YOU ARE SEPARATE FROM THE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE "PROBLEMS", AND THINGS THAT MAKE UP THE PHYSICAL WORLD THAT YOU OBSERVE. IN FACT YOU ARE MORE THAN YOUR THOUGHTS, FEELINGS AND BEHAVIORS. IT HAS TAKEN ME A VERY LONG TIME TO COME TO THIS REALIZATION BUT I NOW KNOW THAT ALL OF THE PAIN AND SUFFERING I ENDURED WAS FOR THE VERY PURPOSE OF KNOWING MY REAL SELF. I COULD NOT HAVE REACHED THIS POINT IF I HAD NOT GONE THROUGH AND EXPERIENCED WHAT I HAD. IF YOU CAN (AND I KNOW YOU CAN DO THIS)DETACH YOURSELF FROM YOUR CURRENT CICUMSTANCES AND JUST OBSERVE AND WITNESS YOUR FEELINGS AND THOUGHTS ABOUT YOUR SITUATION, YOU WILL COME TO KNOW A SENSE OF CLARITY THAT YOU HAVE NEVER KNOWN BEFORE. SURE, YOUR PROBABLY SAYING AS YOU READ THIS THAT I MUST BE CRAZY FOR EVEN SUGGESTING SUCH A THING. BUT IT WORKS! IT REALLY DOES. YOU HAVE TO KNOW IN YOUR HEART THAT THE REAL YOU IS THE ONE WHO IS OBSERVING AND WATCHING ALL OF THE EVENTS IN YOUR LIFE UNFOLD. THEREFORE ALL SOLUTIONS TO ANY PERCEIVED"PROBLEMS" LIE WITHIN YOUR TRUE SELF AND GOD. AND TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE SOLUTIONS YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNE WITH GOD ON A EQUAL LEVEL. REMEMBER GOD IS NOT OUTSIDE OF YOU. HE OR SHE IS WITHIN YOUR TRUE SELF OR YOUR SOUL. MEDITATION IS THE BEST WAY TO COME TO KNOW GOD AND YOUR TRUE SELF OR SOUL. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN WHAT I AM SAYING YOU CAN LEARN MORE ABOUT IT BY READING THE FOLLOWING BOOKS. "THE SACRED SELF" BY WAYNE W. DYER "THERE IS A SPIRITUAL SOLUTION TO EVERY PROBLEM" ALSO BY WAYNE W. DYER; THE SEVEN SPIRITUAL LAWS OF SUCCESS BY DEEPAK CHOPRA, AND ANY BOOKS ON MEDITATION. I HOPE THIS HELPS YOU BILL. DON'T GIVE UP! EVER!

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