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Date Posted: 05:01:09 08/16/00 Wed
Author: Nobody
Subject: Re: I am so proud to be a Democrat
In reply to: steve 's message, "Re: I am so proud to be a Democrat" on 03:54:19 08/16/00 Wed

> No, what I mean is, you have to be willing to accepet
> that regardless of law, there are going to be people
> who do not agree with with you, so you cannot use the
> law to force your presence upon them...it is going to
> be the only way we can move forward...you need
> comprimise for true political progress...what I mean
> is, it is a long hard road...
>
> ..do you think because there is a law to protect you,
> or to force your acceptance that you are going to be
> and safer or more accepted? This is something that
> must happen in peoples hearts...you should be free to
> walk your way and not have you freedoms infinged upon
> as best as we can provide this to you, but if
> religion, culture, or out look sets someone against
> you, they should have the freedom to associate if they
> like...using the goverment to force your will upon
> them is limiting there freedom or hapiness...
>
> ...likewise, you should not be fired from your job
> because you are gay, or beaten because your gay, but
> making any extra special messures under the law then
> your being covered by the right to work and the normal
> laws against violence are not going to change anyone
> hearts against you, they are simply going to harden
> them...
>
> ...back in the 60's, dr. martin luther king jr. took
> steps to try and have us see as a color blind
> nation...we have made so much process, yet we have
> made so little...because as while we no longer see
> black people as inferior for the most part, many
> continue to despise that they are gifted with
> privladge because of their skin color, not equallity,
> and the social programs we delve out to try and help
> them...the social engineering and what not...it has
> merely made things worse for the most part, hardly
> lifting the blacks up but a pennace, and draging many
> others down closer to them...
>
> ...we have to make a decision of goverments role...we
> have a two trillion dollar surpluss merely because of
> a surging economy, and the fact that we have wasted
> our military dangerously thin as you saw when we
> started running out of capacity to engadge in such a
> small deal as Bosnia...there is peace is what I am
> saying...yet, 35% of the average american's pay check
> alone, in payroll taxes, and income tax goes to the
> goverment directly...this is before we consider many
> taxes like property taxes, commuter taxes, sale tax,
> so on so on that do not come directly out of the pay
> check...35% yet, and our schools are failing, the
> welfare system doesn't work, social security is going
> to defualt, medicare is going to default, our military
> is not efficient, our infrastructure is deteriorating,
> blah, blah, blah, so on so on....should I go on any
> further? Yet here are times of prosperity when we
> will not always have such surplussess, and the we are
> in serious trouble in so many areas...the answer
> cannot be, well, we will just pump more money into
> these falling programs, or that we will start up more
> failing programs alike...I listend to al gore and bill
> bradely debate in harlem....it was like horse
> acutioneers...do you now how much it would cost ti do
> everything they promise...when the surpluss runs out,
> it woud take over half our pay checks on the average
> and that is merely again with payroll and income
> taxes...I don't want handouts from the goverment,
> particulkarly when they are only worth such as small
> fraction of what is put into them...there is a
> township in texas which opted out of social security
> like 25 years ago, and they make 6 times on their
> pirvitzed system per retiree that the federal system
> produces...for example...if the democrats had their
> way, we would have a state where we gave the majority
> of our paycheck to the goverment for pittence in
> return, something many already do...but like wise, if
> it where the republican way, the handouts would be
> good, yet primarily to the rich...
>
> ...we need a fair way, and the only way is to see less
> goverment involved in every area of our lives....
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I understand what you are saying and find truth in a great deal of it . Did you know that in the majority of towns and cities in the U.S. it is totally legal to fire or not hire a person simply because he or she is gay or lesbian? Did you know that in most cities and towns in the U.S it is totally legal for a lanlord to refuse to rent to you simply because you are gay or lesbian? Did you know that even after serving for 20 years in the military with the highest of honors that if you admit to being gay or tell someone that you are gay not only are you dishonerably discharged but you loose all the benifits you earned while serving?
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Did you know that in many states sex between consenting adults of the same sex even in the privacy of their own is not only illegal but often considered a felony with up to 20 years jaii time? Did you know that not only are these laws still on the books in many states but they are still being enforced ? The supreme court in the 1980's even upheld the individual states rights to do this and upheld a sentance of 20 years in jail for a man having intercourse with another man.
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The case involved a Georgia man who was having sex with his boyfriend in the privacy of there own home and the police who entered the house for a totally different reason suprised and caught the couple having intercourse and then charged them with sodomy and the guy was found guilty and sentanced to 20 years in prison.
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Do you still feel gays and lesbians should remain silent and good sports keeping the goverment out of these matters and injustices while we patiently wait maybe another couple hundred years for the masses to change their hearts?

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Re: I am so proud to be a Democrat -- steve, 05:48:05 08/16/00 Wed