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Date Posted: 12:54:09 08/08/02 Thu
Author: Ëåì
Subject: Äîçâîëüòå ³ ìåí³ âñòðîìèòè ñâîãî íîñà
In reply to: Ìàêñèì 's message, "Re: Ñòàðèíè" on 11:58:40 08/08/02 Thu

Öèòóâàííÿ íåïîâíå:
«ñ þæíîðóññêèìè îáëàñòÿìè ñâÿçàíû ñâàñòè÷åñêèå ýëåìåíòû îðíàìåíòà, äîæèâøèå äî íàøèõ äíåé â èçäåëèÿõ ïðèêëàäíîãî èñêóññòâà Ìåçåíè — âÿçàíûõ âàðåæêàõ, íîñêàõ, òêàíûõ ïîÿñàõ è ò. ï.» (9)

Öèòóâàííÿ íåïîâíå, òîìó ùî, ÿê ÿ çðîçóì³â, Êðîò êîðèñòóºòüñÿ ñòèñëèì âèêëàäîì ïðàöü Äì³òð³ºâî¿ òà ¿¿ îïîíåíò³â, âçÿòèì òóòà: http://voskres.ru/kozhinov/slovo/3.htm
Ñïåöèàëüíûé ýêñêóðñ: ðóññêàÿ áûëèíà (ñòàðèíà)

Òàì æå ³ àðãóìåíòè Áåðíøòàì.
Ó ìåðåæ³ ïðàöþ Äì³òð³ºâî¿, çäàºòüñÿ, òàêè íåìà.


Ùîäî ñâàñòèêè, òî ëþáèòåëÿì àð³éñòâà ÿ çàâæäè çàóâàæóþ, ùî ç óñ³õ "ñëîâ"ÿí" âîíà ïîøèðåíà íàéá³ëüøå ó óãðî-ô³í³â:)


"×îìó íå çáåð³ãëèñÿ áèëèíè â Óêðà¿í³?"
Ç òåî𳿠ì³ñüêîãî ïîõîäæåííÿ áèëèí (çà Äìèòð³ºâîþ) ìîæíà ïîÿñíèòè ³ öå.

²ñíóº âæå ìàñà ïîÿñíåíü, ïåðåêîíëèâèõ ³ íå äóæå, àëå ÿ îñîáèñòî íàéá³ëüøå ö³íóþ òàêå:

"...ôîëüêëîðíàÿ òðàäèöèÿ âåëèêîðîññîâ ïîäâåðãëàñü èçâåñòíîé ðåàðõàèçàöèè ïîä âëèÿíèåì èíîýòíè÷åñêèõ êîíòàêòîâ ñ ôèííî-óãîðñêèìè ñîñåäÿìè - íîñèòåëÿìè áîëåå ðàííèõ ôîðì ðåëèãèè è êóëüòóðû."
http://www.ruthenia.ru/folklore/kuznetsova6.htm

Õî÷à òàì éäåòüñÿ çà ³íøèé æàíð, àëå öå ñïîñòåðåæåííÿ ìîæíà çàñòîñóâàòè ³ äî ï³âí³÷íèõ ñòàðèí. Âîíè çàö³ë³ëè òàì, äå ÷àñ í³áè çóïèíèâñÿ, à êèÿíàì áóëî âåñü ÷àñ äóæå âåñåëî ³ áåç íèõ, áî ñóñï³ëüñòâî àêòèâíî ðîçâèâàëîñÿ ³ ñòâîðþâàëî íîâ³ ôîðìè, íîâ³ æàíðè ³ íîâ³ ï³ñí³. À íà ï³âíî÷³ - ÐÅÀÐÕÀ¯ÇÀÖ²ß. Ñëîâî ÿêå ãàðíå...:)

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