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Date Posted: 17:32:34 03/23/02 Sat
Author: Òðåéòÿê
Subject: ñïðîáè íîâî¿ ³äå¿
In reply to: Ìàêñèì 's message, "ïîëîâö³ ãåîïîë³òè÷íî" on 04:42:01 03/22/02 Fri

-- Íåâàæëèâî, ÿê³ áóëè àëüòåðíàòèâè ó XVII ñòîë³òò³, àëå ö³ çàâäàííÿ óñï³øíî âèð³øèëà Ðîñ³éñüêà ³ìïåð³ÿ.

Âëàñíå, ÿ ìàþ âåëèêèé ñóìí³â ùîäî òîãî, ùî ÑÒ²ËÜÊÈ çåìåëü áóëè á êîëèñü çàñåëåí³ óêðà¿íöÿìè íàâ³òü çà íàéêðàùèõ óìîâ çä³éñíåííÿ òèõ àëüòåðíàòèâ ç XVII ñò.

-- Õàðàêòåðíî, ùî âëàñíèìè ñèëàìè ñòåïîâèêè ç öèì íå âïîðàëèñÿ á í³êîëè, à Êè¿â ñàìîóñóíóâñÿ, áî ðóñèíè íå çìîãëè çà òèõ óìîâ (ÿê ³ ñüîãîäí³) ÷³òêî ñôîðìóëþâàòè ñâîþ âîëþ, ÿêà áóëà á ïîê³ðíî ñïðèéíÿòà ñòåïîâèêàìè.

Êè¿â òîä³ íå ñò³ëüêè ñàìîóñóíóâñÿ, ñê³ëüêè éîãî óñóíóëè ç ïîë³òè÷íî¿ àðåíè. Ïðèêðî, àëå ôàêò, âèçâîëüíà â³éíà Õìåëüíèöüêîãî (â³ðí³øå, ¿¿ íàñë³äêè) ïðèçâåëà âðåøò³ äî òîãî, ùî Óêðà¿íó áóëî ïîøìàòîâàíî íà Ïðàâîáåðåæíó ³ Ë³âîáåðåæíó. ² ç òîãî ÷àñó óêðà¿íñüê³ çåìë³ âæå íå îá"ºäíóâàëèñü àæ äî íîâ³òí³õ ÷àñ³â.

Íà ÷àñ ïî÷àòêó âåëèêîãî çàñåëåííÿ óêðà¿íöÿìè ï³âäåííèõ òà ñõ³äíèõ çåìåëü (ê³íåöü XVIII ñò.) â ˳âîáåðåæí³é Óêðà¿í³ âæå ïðèáîðêóâàëè ì³çåðí³ ðåøòêè ãåòüìàíñüêî¿ àâòîíî쳿, ó Ïðàâîáåðåæí³é - (äî ðå÷³, çà äîïîìîãîþ ðîñ³éñüêèõ â³éñüê) âæå âñòèãëè äîáèòè Ãàéäàìà÷÷èíó, à íàâ³òü ñàìó Ïîëüùó âæå àêòèâíî ïî÷èíàëè øìàòóâàòè ñóñ³äí³ äåðæàâè. Çàïîðîæö³ æ ò³øèëèñÿ ëàñêîþ òóðåöüêîãî ñóëòàíà íà Äóíà¿. Óêðà¿íà òîä³, áåç ïåðåá³ëüøåííÿ, êîíàëà. ͳ ïðî ÿêó âèðàçíó âîëþ, ³äåþ òîä³ íå éøëîñÿ.

Ñüîãîäí³ æ ìàºìî â³äì³ííó ñèòóàö³þ - ñÿêà-òàêà, àëå äåðæàâà ³ñíóº.

-- Ìàõíî íå ìàâ ö³º¿ ïðîáëåìè, ³ ñòàâèâ çîâñ³ì â³äì³íí³ çàâäàííÿ, ôàêòè÷íî âîþþ÷è ïðîòè âñ³õ, õòî ïîòðàïëÿâ äî ï³äêîíòîðîëüíîãî éîìó "ïîëÿ"

ß íàâ³â ïðèêëàä Ìàõíà âèêëþ÷íî ÿê çðàçîê ñòåïîâîãî ïàðòèçàíñüêîãî ðóõó, à ìàõíîâüêèé ðóõ, ïîãîäüòåñÿ, áóâ ñàìå ïàðòèçàíñüêèì.

-- Ó Ëüâ³âñüê³é îáëàñò³ ðîñ³ÿí á³ëüøå í³æ ó ³ííèöüê³é, àëå Ïîä³ëëÿ âæå ìåæóº ç³ Ñòåïîì, ³ òóò ïîâåä³íêà çîâñ³ì ³íøà. (Õî÷à, çðîçóì³ëî, ìîæíà àð´óìåíòóâàòè öå òèì, ùî Ïîä³ëëÿ ïî÷àëî ìàñîâî çàëþäíþâàòèñÿ ëèøå ó XVII ñò.)

Êîëèøíÿ äåðæàâíà ïðèíàëåæí³ñòü òåæ ìຠäîñèòü âåëèêå çíà÷åííÿ: Ïîä³ëëÿ ïðèíàëåæàëî äî Ðîñ³éñüêî¿ ³ìïå𳿠ùå ç 1790-õ ðîê³â, íàòîì³ñòü Ëüâ³âùèíà áóëà ï³ä ìîñêîâñüêîþ âëàäîþ ò³ëüêè ó ÕÕ ñò.

-- Áóäå äóæå ö³êàâî ïîð³âíÿòè äàí³, ñêàæ³ìî, ïî Ëóãàíñüêó òà ïî éîãî îáëàñò³. Íå äóìàþ, ùî ðîçá³æí³ñòü ðåçóëüòàò³â ñóòòºâî â³äð³çíÿòèìåòüñÿ â³ä Êè¿â-îáëàñòü.

Çâè÷àéíî, Êè¿â - öå ëèøå ïðèêëàä, äîñèòü ÿñêðàâèé â ñâîìó ðîä³, õî÷à ó ñõ³äíîìó ðåã³îí³ ñèòóàö³ÿ âñå-òàêè â³äð³çíÿºòüñÿ - òàì ìàëà ì³ñöå âåëèêà ³ìì³ãðàö³ÿ, îñîáëèâî ç Ðîñ³¿. Ïðîìèñëîâ³ öåíòðè, âóã³ëüíèé êîìïëåêñ Äîíáàñó - ³ìì³ãðàö³ÿ âïëèâàëà íà ðåã³îí â ö³ëîìó, îñîáëèâî íà ì³ñòà (íå ò³ëüêè âåëèê³), à â òîìó ðåã³îí³ ï³äâèùåíà óðáàí³çàö³ÿ.

-- ³ â íåâèáàãëèâèõ ñïîãàäàõ Ñêîðîïàäñüêîãî, ïåðåâèäàíèõ íåùîäàâíî. Ëþäèíà ìîñêîâñüêîãî âèõîâàííÿ ïîòðàïèëà äî âëàäè, çîâñ³ì íå ðîçóì³þ÷è ïðîöåñ³â, ùî â³äáóâàëèñÿ íàâêîëî.

ÿ áè îö³íþâàâ Ñêîðîïàäñüêîãî òðîõè ³íàêøå. Áóëãàêîâ - öå çðàçîê ÷èñòîãî çàéäèíåöüêîãî ìèñëåííÿ. Íàòîì³ñòü Ñêîðîïàäñüêèé íå áóâ àæ òàê çîâñ³ì ÷óæèé óêðà¿íñòâó, â³í ðàäøå ðîçðèâàâñÿ ì³æ Óêðà¿íîþ òà Ðîñ³ºþ (äî ðå÷³, äåùî íàãàäóº ìåí³ âæå çãàäóâàíîãî Îêàðó) - â³í ïðàãíóâ óñ³õ ïîìèðèòè: ³ ñâîº â³äâåðòî çàéäèíåöüêå îòî÷åííÿ, é ïðîóêðà¿íñüêèõ ì³í³ñòð³â â óðÿä³. Öå éîãî ïðàãíåííÿ â³äáèëîñÿ çîêðåìà â òîìó ôðàãìåíò³ éîãî ñïîãàä³â, ùî áóâ îïóáë³êîâàíèé â ìåðåæ³ â ÷àñîïèñ³ "¯" (êîï³ÿ º íà öüîìó ñàéò³). Âðåøò³ éîãî àñï³ðàö³¿ íå äîáðå çàê³í÷èëèñÿ, ñþäè äîäàâñÿ ùå é ñîö³àëüíèé àñïåêò - é Ñêîðîïàäñüêèé îòðèìàâ íàðîäíå ïîâñòàííÿ, âò³ê äî ͳìå÷÷èíè, çð³êñÿ âëàäè (òåëåãðàìîþ :)) Âçàãàë³-òî, Ñêîðîïàäñüêèé ìàâ äóæå ñêëàäíå ïîë³òè÷íå ñòàíîâèùå, òîìó íå âàðòî éîãî ñóäèòè íàäòî ñóâîðî. Äî ðå÷³, Êó÷ìà ÷èìîñü íàãàäóº ìåí³ ñàìå Ñêîðîïàäñüêîãî.


Òåïåð äî ³äå¿ ÿê òàêî¿.

-- ßêà ³äåÿ çäàòíà ïåðåêîíàòè "ïîëîâöÿ" íå îð³ºíòóâàòèñÿ íà "Ñðåäèííó ³ìïåð³þ"?

Íà ì³é ïîãëÿä, íåïîãàíî áóëî á âèêîðèñòàòè íàñàìïåðåä ñîö³àëüí³ ãàñëà, áî ÷èñòà "ðóõ³âñüêà" íàö³îíàëüíà ³äåÿ òàì íå ñïðàöþº, â ìàñàõ. Âçàãàë³, ìåí³ âèäàºòüñÿ âàæëèâèì ñòâîðåííÿ îá"ºäíàâ÷î¿, ñîáîðíî¿ ³äåîëî㳿. Âîíà ìîãëà á áóòè ïîºäíàííÿì íàö³îíàëüíèõ òà ñîö³àëüíèõ ãàñåë. Òðàäèö³éí³ íàö³îíàë-ïàòð³îòè ïðàêòè÷íî çàáóâàþòü ïðî ñîö³àëüí³ ãàñëà (ùîéíî ÿê³ñü ñïðîáè â öüîìó ïèòàíí³ âèÿâëÿº ò³ëüêè Òèìîøåíêî). Ôàêòè÷íî, öå ïîëå íà Ñõîä³ òà ϳâäí³ çàëèøàþòü êîìóí³ñòàì, é âîíè ðåãóëÿðíî é ñóìë³ííî çáèðàþòü íà òîìó ïîë³ ñâ³é "âðîæàé".

Òàê îò, íà Ñõîä³ òà ϳâäí³ òðåáà íàãîëîøóâàòè ñàìå ñîö³àëüí³ ãàñëà, áî íàö³îíàëüíî òàìòåøíº íàñåëåííÿ "íåñàìîóñâ³äîìëåíå", à â³äòàê àìîðôíå (ðàí³øå ÿ íàçâàâ öå "óëàìêàìè"). Îòæå ñîö³àëüí³ ãàñëà òàì ìàëè á áóòè ïîïóëÿðí³øèìè çà áóäü-ÿê³ íàö³îíàëüí³. Ïðîòå: âèñóâàííÿ ñîö³àëüíèõ ãàñåë ïîòðåáóº ñîö³àëüíî¿ ³äåîëî㳿, à ¿¿ íåìàº. Ïîêè ùî òðåáà ëþäÿì ðîç"ÿñíèòè, ùî êîìóí³ñòè æîäíèõ ïîçèòèâíèõ ñîö³àëüíèõ ³äåé íå ìàþòü, âîíè íàâ³òü íå º ñïðàâæíüîþ îïîçèö³ºþ - ðàäøå êèøåíüêîâîþ.

--- Âè òîðêíóëèñÿ äóæå âàæëèâîãî ìîìåíòó ïðî "ïîëîâåöüê³" êëàíè.

Äî ðå÷³, â ðîçáèòò³, àáî ïðèíàéìí³ îñëàáëåíí³ òèõ êëàí³â ìîæóòü ä³éíî äîïîìîãòè ñàìå ñîö³àëüí³ ãàñëà.

--- Äóæå ïðèêðî, àëå ³ñòîð³ÿ XVII-XVIII ñò. ïîâòîðþâàòèìåòüñÿ, äîêè Ðóñü íå ï³äêîðèòü ³äåéíî îêðåìî âçÿòèé Ïîëîâåöüêèé ñòåï, ïîêè òîé ùå íå îòðèìàâ äîïîìîãè ç Àç³îïè.

Öÿ "äîïîìîãà ç Àç³îïè" í³êóäè íå ïîä³ëàñÿ, âîíà º, é ïîñèëþºòüñÿ ùîäíÿ - Ìîñêâà âèð³øèëà ïðîâàäèòè àêòèâíó çîâí³øíþ ïîë³òèêó - ñüîãîäí³ âîíà ìຠàêòèâíîãî ë³äåðà. Îòæå, ê³ëüêàð³÷íèé "òàéì-àóò" âæå ìîæíà ââàæàòè çãàÿíèì.

ϳäêîðèòè Ñòåï ³äåéíî - âàæêå çàâäàííÿ, é íà ïðåâåëèêèé æàëü, ïîêè ùî ÿ íå áà÷ó (ÿêùî Âè áà÷èòå, òî âêàæ³òü) íàâ³òü ñê³ëüêè-íåáóäü àêòèâíèõ ñïðîá. Ïîòðåáóºìî òî¿ ñïðîáè, à ãðóíòîì äëÿ íå¿ ìàþòü áóòè íîâ³ ³äå¿. Îòæå, ïîòðåáóºìî íîâèõ ³äåé.

²íàêøå: â êðàùîìó âèïàäêó çàìêíóòèñÿ â ìåæàõ êîð³ííèõ çåìåëü, çàáóòè ïðî ìîðå (ÿê çàáóëà Óãîðùèíà; äî ðå÷³, óãîðñüêèé ðåãåíò ̳êëîø Õîðò³ áóâ àäì³ðàëîì :)), ïîãîäèòèñü áóòè íåâåëèêîþ ºâðîïåéñüêîþ íàö³ºþ, áåç æîäíèõ ãåîïîë³òè÷íèõ àìá³ö³é (ìàë³ íàö³¿ òàê³ àìá³ö³¿ ñîá³ ïðîñòî äîçâîëèòè íå ìîæóòü), ³ ò.ä.

Ìóñèìî âèáèðàòè, ³ áåç òîãî âæå ÷àñó çãàÿíî áàãàòî.


P.S. Ùîäî ñïîãàä³â Ñêîðîïàäñüêîãî. Áóäó Âàì äóæå âäÿ÷íèé, ÿêùî âêàæåòå ðåêâ³çèòè òî¿ êíèæêè. Õîò³ëîñÿ á ¿¿ ïðî÷èòàòè, à â ìåðåæ³ íåìàº. Òîæ õî÷ áè çíàâ òîä³, ùî òðåáà øóêàòè.

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