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Date Posted: 22:06:46 05/23/15 Sat
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Post 354 A: Legitimacy, Illegitimacy and the right to rule.
..., Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed,... [The Declaration of Independence]
1. Louis IV, Holy Roman Emperor 1282-1347 = (2) Margaret II, Countess of Hainault - Holland
2. Albrecht I von Wittelsbach, Duke of Bavaria 1336-1404 = Margareta von Kleve/Cleve
3. Margarethe von Bayern-Straubing ca.1363-1423 = Jean Sans Peur, Duke of Burgundy
4. Marie/Mary of Burgundy, Duchess of Cleves 1393-1466 = Arnold, Duke of Guelders
Alternate path of descent from Marie/Mary's father's side:
1. Jean II/John II de Valois, King of France 1319-1364 = Bonne Princess of Bohemia
2. Philip II, Duke of Burgundy 1342-1404 = Marie d' Auberchicourt 1345-1401
3. Jean 'Sans Peur' Duke of Burgundy 1371-1419 = Margaretha von Bayern-Straubing 1363-1423
4. Marie/Mary of Burgundy, Duchess of Cleves = Adolph, Duke of Cleves
5. Catherina von Cleves, Duchess of Guelders 1417-1479 = Arnold, Duke of Guelders
6. Maria van Egmond, of Guelders 1433-1463 = James II Stewart, King of Scotland 1430-1460
7. James III Stewart, King of Scotland 1451-1488 = Margaret Princess of Denmark, von Oldenburg 1456-1486
8. James IV Stewart, King of Scotland 1473-1513 =v= Isabel Stewart of Buchan, dau. of James 1st Earl Buchan
9. Lady Janet Stewart 1502-1562 = Malcolm Fleming, 3rd Lord Fleming
10. Lady Margaret Fleming 1529-1586 = John Stewart, 4th Earl of Atholl
11. Lady Janet Stewart 1557-1593 = Sir Duncan Campbell of Glenorchy, 1st Baronet
12. Archibald Campbell of Lagvinshoch and Monzie 1583-1640 = Jean Campbell & Katherine Graham
13. Margaret Campbell 1637-1691 = Donald Glas Stewart MacGregor 1630-1686, son of Malcolm Og Callum MacGregor
14. Robert (Rob Roy) MacGregor 1671-1734 = Mary Helen MacGregor, dau. of Macgregor of Comar
15. James Mohr MacGregor 1697-1745 = Annabel McNiccol
16. Archibald MacGregor 1720-1758 = Edith Effie MacAlpin, dau. of Henry MacAlpin, killed at Culloden
17 Ann MacGregor of Guilford North Carolina 1756-1830 = Capt. Henry Connelly (Conley) 1752-1840
18. Elizabeth L. "Becky" Connelly (Conley) 1789-1871 = Aaron Tate born 1785 at Big Moccasin Creek, Fincastle Va.
19. Maburn "Dock" Tate of Ft. Payne, AL born 1811 = Delana "Delany" Killion, born 1824
20. Elizabeth "Betty" Tate, born 1855 (married=1852) Solomon S. Puryear, born 1841 Granville N.C.
21. Mary Ada Puryear, born 12/19/1876 Scottsboro, Alabama - died 1946 Bridgeport, Alabama = Linnville Andrews Dugger, born 1872 Sweetwater, Tenn., son of Hardin Green Dugger.
22. Rosa Grace Dugger, born 1904 - died 1986 = Wiley Sanford Barnes, 01/26/1902 - 10/22/1933
23. Ruby Catherine/Katherine Barnes, born 1929 - died 1988 =v= Dave Franklin Jackson, 1925-2002
24. Michael Dave Barnes, Knight Templar of the York Rite, Knight of Malta of the York Rite, Knight of the Red Cross of the York Rite, Scottish Baron Lochaber, Baron of Menstrie, Baron of Hampbton-on-Sea, Chatelain of Cymry, Viscount de Barne, Graf van Harlingen (de jure), Comte de Puryer, Comte de Frisia (de jure), Marquis de Septimania (de jure), Ri de Kippen [Buchanan], Lord of the Isles (de jure), Duke of Kartvelia (de jure), Grand Archduke of Doggerland, Grand Prince of Doggerland.
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Legitimate: [Middle English, born in Wedlock]
(1.) Being in compliance with the law. LAWFUL.
(2.) Being in accordance with established or accepted patterns and standards.
(3.) Based on logical reasoning.
(4.) Genuine
Marriage came about initially as a property right to a female. Later as religion came into vogue, marriage became shrouded with the trappings of mysticism. Mystical it may have seemed. But paternity was anything but certain in the time before DNA. In those early times a legal document of marriage was the only thing that could be used as evidence of paternity. Now there is DNA which makes the idea of illegitimacy moot.
If a child born out of wedlock is unlawful, by all means point out the law the child has broken. What sort of punishment would you heap upon the shoulders of the newborn, and why? In the past the punishment was to be bared from inheriting his/her parents property. One can only assume this was to give the said property to the "lawful" heirs, or other family members. If identification was the issue, DNA solves that problem. This would only be an issue for the father. Most women know if they have had a child. Thus disinheritance from the mother's line would have or should have never been an issue.
The idea of illegitimacy came into being under the old defunct and discredited idea of religion. Religion being an old definition of a replacement for science, history, morality and origin of Man. Why should we accept its failed concept of "legitimacy"? Why should we accept the ideas of a document (Bible) hundreds of years old and out of date. The document, the Bible, dated to a time when ancient man thought the sun revolved around the Earth and the world was flat. Why should we accept this old idea instead of modern DNA?
The idea of illegitimacy is only now used by those who wish to pigeonhole someone in order to disinherit them or deny them something owed to them. As to knowing who our parents are, none of us do. Does a child of one day old know who it's parents are? We are taught who our parent are. A mother almost always knows her child. Before DNA a father could only speculate. Despite ancient, archaic religious based monarchies the world does not operate by a system of primogeniture.
In the present day DNA enlighten world many a false paternity has come to light. Most notable are the DNA's of the "five anonymous living donors, all members of the extended family of the present Duke of Beaufort, who claim descent from both the Plantagenets and Tudors through the children of John of Gaunt,"... "the present Queen may not be descended from John of Gaunt and Edward III, the lineage on which the Tudors claim to the throne originated." - The Gaurdian
There is also the evidence that was found in an English cathedral's records that was shown on a T.V. program in 2004 called 'The Real Monarch of Britain' by Tony Robinson, in which it was discovered that Richard, Duke of York, son of Richard Conishburgh, Earl of Cambridge and Anne Mortimer, 1411-1460, was 100 miles away fighting in France when his wife, Cicely Neville became pregnant. It was known that she was have an illicit relationship with an English Archer by the name of Blaybourne. The child of the illicit union was Edward IV, King of England. The King that never should have been. He did have a right to his mother's title and possessions though, as Count of Westmorland. The video is available for viewing for free on youtube.
The daughter of Edward IV was Elizabeth. As a descendant of John of Gaunt (which is now known that she really wasn't) she married the known to be illegitimate Edward VII, king of England. Her marriage to him was to give his reign legitimacy with her descent from John of Gaunt.
Thus the reigning Queen Elizabeth II does have an illegitimate right to rule through her descent from Edward VII.
The now defunct monarchy of the Bourbon line of French Kings is no different. The present DNA of its present members does not match that of blood believed to be from Louis XVI, and the DNA of a head believed to be that of Henri IV. See dienekes.blogspot.
So there you have it. If legitimacy is the test. None of the present monarchies pass muster. Save one, The Grand Royal Sovereign Princedom and Grand Archduchy of Doggerland.
End post 354 A: Sir Michael D. Barnes is teltalheart, a.k.a. Grand Archduke and Grand Prince of Doggerland.
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Post 354 A: Iegitimacy, Illegitimacy and the right to rule.