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Date Posted: 03:50:16 12/26/10 Sun
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Post 253 A: William Peverel de Ferrers/ de Perers
William (Guillaume) Peverel:
It's stated that Henry de Ferrers' elder brother, William de Ferrers, "fell in the battle" of Hastings in 1066 A.D.
I'm beginning to doubt this. According to at least one online researcher, Carol/Evergreen, she writes:
"Herbert de Rie and his wife Albareda de Preaux had four sons: Herbert Jr., Adam, Ranulphus/Ralph, and Eudo (who became Eudo Dapifer)... Their son Ralph was known as Ranulphus de Praers PRIOR to 1066. J.R. Planch relates the story about Ralph, Herbert Jr. and Adam rescuing Duke William in his flight prior to 1066.
The Battle Abbey Rolls list Herbert de Rie and Herbert de Rie le Jeune one or two names that MIGHT be Adam de Rie, Edues Dapifer Sire de Preaux and Le Sire de Praeres (Prous). It's my belief that this last name must refer to Ranulphus de Praers - is there any reason to believe otherwise?
Next, J.R. Planch in talking about the booty received by these four sons refers to ""Ralph, whom he made Castellan of Nottingham."" Spiffy! Except it looks as if somebody else promply made off with our Castellan of Nottingham:
""William Peverel, one of the Conqueror's followers and castellan of Nottingham, gave the church along with St Mary's and St Nicholas as part of the endowment of the Cluniac Priory of Lenton, which he founded between 1109 and 1114.""[from Claves Regni, the on-line magazine of St. Peter's Church, Nottingham]
Annoyed with this Peverel fellow for making off with my ancestor's castle, I read all I could find about him. The Battell Abbey Rolls include a Ranulf Peverel and a William Peverel. Most folks seem to think William was the bastard son of Duke William because of all the lands he received from the Invasion for no other discernible reason, but there seems to be no other evidence for this conclusion. I can also find no evidence that William Peverel left any heirs.
Ranulphus de Praers had two de Praers sons (presumably before the Invasion) the eldest of which inherited the vil de Stoke - a tiny nothing little place in Cheshire except that I believe it sits right on the Roseline. But Ranulphus' eldest de Stoke son (presumably after the Invasion) was William de Stoke, knight.
What would get thrown at me if I wanted to speculate that Ranulphus de Praers was one and the same as Ranulf Peverel, and that William de Stoke was one and the same as William Peverel? There are several other factors suggestive of this hypothesis, but I don't know what contary evidence is out there. Does anyone know who DID inherit all of William Peverel's lands?
Thanks as always, Carol/Evergreen"
I personally have some reason to believe the Henry de Perers who was seated at "Dalby and elsewhere in Leicester in 1086 (Domesd.)" and Henry de Ferrers of Derbyshire and Leicestershire are one and the same person. Henry de Ferrers is said to come from Ferrieres-Saint-Hilaire in Eure, Normandy. Henry de Perers is said to come from Ferrieres-Haut-Clocher in Eure, Normandy. They are less than nine miles from each other in Normandy. It was written "The family Perers came from Periers, near Evreux, Normandy." - The Norman People
It's stated in Wikipedia and elsewhere:
"Henry de Ferrers (also Henri de Ferrieres) was a Norman soldier froma noble family who took part in the conquest of England...His elder brother William fell in battle. William and Henri were the sons of Walkeline de Ferrers (d.c. 1040)Seigneur of Ferrieres-Saint-Hilaire, Eure in upper Normandy.
Henry became a major land holder and was granted 210 manors throught England and Wales, but notably in Derbyshire and Leicestershire, by King William for his conspicuous bravery and support at Hastings."
Of William Peverel it's stated:
William Peverell (c.1040-c. 1115)
William Peverell the Elder was probably the illegitimate son William the Conqueror and a Saxon princess named Maud Ingelrica ( daughter of the noble Ingelric) although this cannot be supported by the historical records. Maud Ingelrica was later married to Ranulph Peverell, from whom William took his surname. William married Adelina of Lancaster, who bore him a daughter Adeliza, born circa 1075, and a son, also named William, born circa 1080.
Since Le Sire de Praeres (Prous), found on the Battle Abbey Rolls, seems to be the name the family de Perers (Perrier, Perryer,Peryer, Puryer) seems to be descended from and either Ranulphus/Ralph de Praers or William de Parers appears to be the progenitor of the name. However, the book 'The Norman People' states on page 396 that Henry de Perers is the progenitor of the line. So, this would possibly be Henry de Ferrers. It seems alos possible that Henry de Ferrers and William Peverel (de Ferrers/ de Perers) are at least half brothers. This tale follows along the line of the tale of king Arthur, who was raised in a home not that of his fathers. The name Peverel is also very similar to that of Perceval.
Found in:
www.archive.org/stream/inquisitionsasse04grea/inquisitionsasse04grea_djvu.txt
A.D.1428
46 Northampton
De Johanne Basset pro xvj tm parte j.f.m. in Russheden, Quondam Willelmi Bradson, et tenetur de comite de Ferariis de honore Peverelli.
A.D. 1284 EsTPURI.- Richardus filius Jonannis, tenet manerium de Estpuri de comite de Ferrers, et hoc honore de Tuatburs per j.f.m. et idem comes de rege.
14 Northampton. 1428 41.
Strixton.-Henricus de Prieris tenet j.f.m. in Strixton de comite Warrewici, et idem comes de rege i.e.
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