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Date Posted: 18:56:54 02/06/11 Sun
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Post 258: mtDNA J2b1b, cont., The Jewish Question
As everyone who knows anything about me knows my Y-DNA is R1b1b2 and my mtDNA is J2b1b.
The question is, who is a Jew? Since the second century A.D. it was deemed that anyone born of a Jewish mother was considered a jew.
It seems strange that the Y-chromosome from the male line should be used to identify the supposed "Y-chromosomal Aaron" line or line of the descendents of Aaron and or the genetic line of the Zadok High Priests of Israel/Judah (Numbers 25:11-12); particularly when the remains (body) of Aaron or Phinehas, his grandson, is not around for us to DNA test.
However, there are some who believe the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten is the biblical Moses. Aaron was said to be the brother or half brother of Moses. The Egytian Antiquites Authority have done DNA tests of the mummy is KV55 (Akhenaten), but will only tell the world who is related to whom in the Royal Egyptian pantheon. They will not give the world the exact DNA results in fear it may strengthen someone's claim other than themselves, especially that of Israel.
The supposed Y-chromosomal Aaron line also known as the Kohanim (singular "Kohen, "Cohen") line is said to be by a pattern of values for 6 Y-STR markers, which have been named the Cohen Modal Haplotype by researchers, (CMH) they fell into Haplogroup J. But, it was found that many men in many communities that were not Jewish were also J Haplogroup. The J Haplogroup has been around since its emergence about 30,000 to 40,000 years ago.
More recent research shows the Y-Haplogroup among the supposed (CMH) is J1c3 (J-P58). Another group claiming descent is J2a (J-M410) which occurs at a rate of 15% among the supposed Kohanim Jews.
Others included are the J1e and J2a possible supposed Cohen group from the Sephardi (Spanish/French) background. Their most recent common ancestor (MRCA) lived between year 1 B.C. and 3,500 B.C.. The group known as the Ashkenazis are estimated to have an MRCA from 400 A.D. to 3,000 B.C..
Prof. Karl Skorecki tested the Y chromosomes of Jewish priests in 1997. Prof. Skorecki published The Cohen hypothesis in the journal Nature. It was found that the Kohanim "share a different probability distribution compared to the rest of the Jewish population for the two Y-chromosome markers they tested (YAP and DYS19)." It was found that both Ashkenazi (German Jews) and Sephardic Cohens share a common ancestor before the Roman diaspora (scattering) of the Jewish race.
It also seems the J2 subgroup contains lineages that have similar genetic markers to the Cohen Modal Haplotype. Though they exist in a low frequency among the Jewish Kohanim they do not descend from the supposed Y-Aaron ancestor.
There are several groups which have a Cohen religious tradition: Haplogroup J2, J2a4h (L24), R1b.
Indeed the J Haplogroup developed in the Near East. The odd thing about this is the scientific evidence that supports the idea that it (J) is most common and seems to have developed at the base of the Caucasus Mountains in the Caucasus Region. The J haplotype is found at its highest concentration in the areas of Azerbiajan (east of Eden/east of Ararat) and former soviet Georgia.
Khazaria is a region that touches Azerbiajan to its north edge and extends northward to city of Sarkel (Volgodonsk), northeast to Volgograd and westward to the Black Sea.
It also extends along the northern slop of the Caucasus Mountian Range.
There is a theory that the Ashkenazi Jews might be descended from peoples of the Khazaria region. This theory dates back to late 19th century Europe. Ernest Renan, a racial-theorist, first publicly proposed this theory on January 27, 1883 in a lecture titled "Judaism as a Race and as Religion." Racial-theorist Lothrop Stoddard popularized the idea in an article in 1926 in the Forum titled "The Pedigree of Judah." Professor John O. Beaty, Southern Methodist University, published "The Iron Curtain over America" in 1951 in which he states Khazar Jews were responsible for all the world's ills icluding World Wars I an II. He described it as an attempt to subvert Western Christianity and establish Communism throughout the world. It seems many Fundamentalist Christian groups have made the Khazar theory a firm article of faith.
Shlomo Sand, Israel historian of cinema and French intellectual historian, delved into the Khazar theme in his book "The Invention of the Jewish People," published in 2008.
Haplogroup R1a chromosomes (Eu19) were found at a rate of 54% to 60% in Eastern European populations and at a rate of 12.7% among Ashkenazi Jews according to a 2001 study by Nebel et al. It was determined that Eastern Europeans and Ashkenazi Jews might carry some partial Khazar ancestry.
Ashkenazi Levites make up approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews. In the Ashkenazi Levites it was found that they have a rate of Haplogroup R1a1 over 50%. In general 11.5% of all male Ashkenazi were found to have Haplogroup R1a1 (R-M17).
Interestingly I personally thought that since it's the mother who decides if a child is a Jew or non-jew it would have been her line of DNA that would have been tested. But what do I know? It just seems to me that the facts are skewed in whatever direction anyone, Jew or Gentile, wish to turn them. Certainly the jews cannot be blamed for all the world's ills. For that one needs to look a the greed of man. One definitely needs to look at the greediest of the greedy, ergo the richest of the rich to find the true cause of all the world's ills.
Or, just maybe somewhere in the process look at the enablers of the processes of the greediest of the greedy. That would be Ronald Reagen, George H.W. Bush, William (Bill) Clinton, George W. Bush; and a half-black, not so black, half white professional politician (Obama) that began doing everything but dancing the old soft-shoe for the Republicians when they got the majority in congress.
What is also of interest is the scientific fact that Y-DNA R1a began right around the area of what is now the city of Kirov in persent day Russia. Now there's one for you!
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