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Date Posted: 15:06:30 03/19/16 Sat
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teltalheart/moderator
's message, "Post 356 A: Thanks Penny, and Happy Holidays" on 07:23:11 12/24/15 Thu
Thank you for your response! Very interesting on the history you provided; and I knew that not everyone today who consider themselves "Jewish" actually descend from the Tribe of Judah... they may be from one of the Twelve Tribes, and/or are Hebrew or Semitic in some way.
I think I have narrowed down which family line the 2% "European Jew" came from on my autosomal DNA test. Out of the almost 600 distant cousin Ancestry.com has listed for me as being related, at least 1/4 of them show up with traces of this ethnic group, nearly all of them being connected to me via my mother's family. Both her parents (my maternal grandparents) were distantly related to each other through a Barnes line (Ireland) - grandpa was actually a third cousin to grandma's dad. Mother and I descend from two sons of Brinsley Barnes and his wife, Elizabeth Lindley. This would account for why my results showed up "2%" instead of just a trace. I do not know if this comes from a combination of both Brinsley and Elizabeth, or, if just from one of them. But considering the fact that they belonged to the Quaker community, it is entirely possible they (or one of them) decided to leave their Jewish past and assimilate directly into the Anglo-Saxon/Germanic culture.
Penny
>Post 356 A: Thanks Penny, and Happy Holidays
>
>Thank you, Penny, for your post on Dec. 22.
>
>I should always be remembered that the J2b1b DNA
>occurred some 15,000 (+ or - 5,000 yrs.) years ago,
>long before any idea of a "Jewish" or "Hebrew" race
>ever entered anyone's mind. One does not need to be
>Jewish to be of J2b1b DNA, obviously. About 4% of
>Scotland is J1b1 DNA. J2b1 is virtually absent in
>Europe and is found only in diverse forms in the Near
>East. It's found mostly in Azerbaijan and the former
>soviet Georgia. It's also found in higher numbers in
>Albania and Kosovo. This was the DNA of those who
>created the modern world, by inventing farming and
>domesticating goats, cattle and horses. The DNA most
>likely to have developed along the coast of the Black
>Sea region, between it and the Caspian Sea. As far as
>Europeans are concerned, the people carrying the DNA
>at some point moved to Turkey. They may have survived
>the great flood of the Black Sea about 7,200 B.C. and
>traveled across the Marmara to establish a colony on
>the north side. Due to this I believe Utna-Pishtim
>(Noah) was probably of this DNA since it is found most
>strongly around the area he is said to have occupied.
>I believe it is the first and original bloodline of
>Kings and Nobles.
>
> The DNA traveled to Europe and may have developed the
>Hallstatt and La Tene cultures starting around the
>area on Vienna. The J2 DNA is found to a great degree
>in the Phoenician population as well. The DNA as a
>result is found mostly around costal regions of Italy,
>Spain and Greece. Giving rise to the idea that the
>bearers of this DNA may have made their living by
>fishing. This is where the Jews come in. They were
>known to be J2 DNA and possibly of Phoenician stock.
>They were descendants of the Denyen Sea Peoples who
>joined with the Hebrews. They were excluded from the
>list of sealed tribes in the Book of Revelations for
>pagan practices, but were given a northern portion of
>the future Israel according to the Book of Ezekiel.
>Their primary trade characteristic was seafaring, this
>was unusual for the Israelite tribes. In a battle with
>Phoenicians, in the Song of Deborah the tribe is said
>to have stayed on their ships with their belongings. I
>imagine this is because they were related to the
>Phoenicians as well. To participate in such a battle
>would have been to chose sides in a matter in which
>they were related to both sides in the struggle. The
>Tribe of Dan is usually represented by a serpent.
>
>J and I are the two largest DNAs by volume in Jewish
>peoples. To an only slightly lesser degree is DNAs G
>and E. The next small DNA by volume is Q and R1b. The
>next six DNA are the smallest by volume in the Jewish
>community: L, O, N, H, T, and R1a.
>
>I hope this helps, Penny. Merry Christmas and Happy
>Holidays to you and everyone out there in internet
>land. From me, Sir Michael, Grand Prince and Grand
>Archduke of Doggerland. End Post 356 A: teltalheart is
>Sir Michael D. Barnes, Grand Prince and Grand Archduke
>of Doggerland.
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