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Date Posted: 15:07:57 04/29/02 Mon
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

Murray
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 29, 2002 at 9:39

" I believe that if more people in the world shared her views, and fewer people had yours,
the world would be a more civilized place."

Jeff, I absolutely agree that this sounds good and I was once a great subscriber to such
notions. Yet, after putting ideas like this under great scrutiny, I found them to be, to put it most
charitably, simplistic. Also, if you do a little digging, you will find that people whose lives
actually reflect such a belief do not exist. But, since you make the assertion, I could also simply
do as you often do and say, if you sincerely believe this, prove that it is actually true rather than
just something that sounds good.

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 9:03

Re your Oh please! LOL! response to Coinkydink's 5:43 post, I believe that if more people in
the world shared her views, and fewer people had yours, the world would be a more civilized
place.

Murray
In Response To dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 8:18

Oops, last one was to you. Could have just as easily been to her, though. You are both
equally horrible to each other.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 29, 2002 at 8:15

"I was going to try to explain to her again about how words mean things, but I decided it
really isn't worth the effort."

You both are horrible to each other. The slings and arrows fly in both directions.

dori
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 8:10

Now don't get carried away. I didn't say ALL of your observations were astute... grin

But, yes, you have made some astute observations about me as well. I'll let you figure out
which ones. Laterz!

Murray
In Response To dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 8:01

I'll know you will truly think my observations astute when you say that of the observations I
make about you. *-)

And, yes, Good Morning also to you. "...the LORD's mercies we are not consumed, Because
His compassions fail not. They are new every morning;" (from Lamentations, Chapter 3)

dori
In Response To Murray
Monday April 29, 2002 at 7:49

Good morning. Very astute observation, if you don't mind my saying so. I was going to try to
explain to her again about how words mean things, but I decided it really isn't worth the effort.
I have an early day today, so I have to leave. I hope you have a great Monday. God bless.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 29, 2002 at 7:39

"Everyone is going toward God. All people are seeking the same Truth. They will all
realize him if they have sincerity and longing of heart."


So, when is it exactly that you stopped seeking God, seeing as how you haven't posted
anything that is, in its essence, new here for at least three years? You post very high and lofty
things, but they ring hollow.

Murray
In Response To Coinkydink
Monday April 29, 2002 at 7:25

You may not be a proselytizer in the strictest sense of the word, but you have a definite point
of view and you bring it with you when you come here and, in your own way, share it quite
forcefully. You have an interesting way of doing it, to give one example, of asking questions
such as, "Who are the real Christians?" of others of which you've already made your mind up
as to what the answer is. So, yes, you may not come here to win others over to your faith per
se, but, intentionally or not, you do come here as a witness, to testify to what you believe. A
psychologist friend of mine is fond of asking, "So what is it about yourself that you see in the
other person that you don't like?" Look hard enough and you will see the proselytizer within.

dori
In Response To Coinky
Monday April 29, 2002 at 7:15

Oh please! LOL!

*Coinkydink
In Response To One God
Monday April 29, 2002 at 5:43

Last Sunday while at an Earth Day celebration, I bought a laser etched stone for my friend,
Rachid. It is etched in Arabic, "Allah is the one God." The Hindu philosopher, Ramakrishna
wrote: "I see people who talk about religion constantly quarreling with one another...They
haven't the wisdom to know that He who is called Krishna is also Siva and the Primal shakti,
and that it is He, again, who is called Jesus and Allah. Truth is one; only it is called by different
names. People injure and kill one another, and shed blood, in the name of religion. But this is
not good. Everyone is going toward God. All people are seeking the same Truth. They will all
realize him if they have sincerity and longing of heart."

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 5:02

"My advice to you? Don't use the big words if you want to convey your meaning better." Do
you always feel such an overwhelming need to be critical of other's? Why is that? You might
try to curb that impulse in future... thanks. ;)

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 4:57

Inducing someone or convincing someone to come over to your faith is not the same as
coercion... Most of the posters here probably hope to win others to their faith, particularly
those whose religion tells them to witness to others and evangelize. It's not a great fault in that
person, but it is something that I personally do not really like pointed at me. It's not a bad thing
about Prag, but something that I didn't like. What is it with you and Prag anyway? Is he
another of your "sages"? Why do you feel a need to defend him even when no one is attacking
him?

~Dr. Lucy~
In Response To Dori
Monday April 29, 2002 at 0:10

Sorry it took me so long to get back, I've been lurking/posting in between chores that have
piled up. I told him how much she has changed...he would never take credit for any of that
though..but I'm sure one day God will let him know how much he was listened to. :) G'nite
Dori..see ya tomorrow.

dori
In Response To Kim
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 23:58

Nice to see you here, hon. I have to go to bed now, but I hope to catch you again soon. xo

dori
In Response To Kim
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 23:44

Wow! That really is a good illustration of how God is always with us, even when we don't
even ask him to be, but sometimes just because others care enough to go to him for us. Your
dad is something else, Kim, to be still praying for this girl after all this time. He must really care
about her. Does he know how his prayers have helped her?

~Dr. Lucy~
In Response To Dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 23:31

Your post tickled me because she really is stable now..and it never occurred to me to give
God credit for it before. But when dad told me he was still praying for her after all this time, it
really really made sense.

~Dr. Lucy~
In Response To Dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 23:30

You would be AMAZED! My dad was asking about her last week, which is why I
remembered it tonight. He reminded me that he led her to Christ over the phone after a lengthy
phone conversation. Her name is Juli, and she was an EXTREMELY wild child. Now, she's a
single mom working 3 jobs, and she has for a few yrs now...to put her kids in college. (2 girls
who graduated on the honor roll--straight A's) She pays for tuition, dorm and books... I've
kept in touch with her family...she has become more responsible than most people who started
out under similar circumstances.

dori
In Response To Kim
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 23:22

Just think--that prayer of your dad's may be the thread that is keeping that friend's situation
stable. I think that's great!!!

~Dr. Lucy~
In Response To Dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 22:44

I sure will. Here's something to think about. My dad has a list of people that he prays for, and
it's over 20 yrs old..he just keeps adding names as needed. One of my friends...who I've not
spoken to in 15 yrs, he's still praying for.

dori
In Response To Coinky
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 21:23

I miss minder, too. If he hadn't left Stephen's room things wouldn't have turned sour there, I'm
sure. He was a great presence. I hope he returns one day to share more of his thoughts. 8-)

dori
In Response To Coinky
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 21:19

Then why did you bring that up? When you said the only thing you didn't like about him was
that he proselytized as much if not more so than the others here, you implied he was trying to
coerce you into becoming a Mormon. Proselytizing doesn't mean suggesting to someone that
they might be interested in learning about your faith and giving you information. Proselytizing is
INDUCING someone to follow your faith. Big difference. My advice to you? Don't use the
big words if you want to convey your meaning better.

BTW, I'm happy for your finding the old high school friend. It should be great catching up on
all the old memories.

*Coinkydink
In Response To Ya'll
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 21:15

No one here...TTFN!

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 20:52

I was pondering how much we both might have changed in 37 years and what would be the
same... what were we really like back then and how will we relate to one another? I can hardly
wait to see her ... she was like a sister to me! :D

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Sunday April 28, 2002 at 20:50

A fun thing is happening in my life! Actually it's kinda wonderful...I registered on one of those
"find your high school friends" sites and found my best friend, Carrie. We're getting together
next week after 37 years of not knowing where the other one disappeared to... we lost track
of one another when she got married and moved back east. Now she lives in Fresno which is
only an hour and a half from Porterville! I'm so excited!

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