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Date Posted: 10:57:27 04/21/02 Sun
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
backup forum. :)








MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

GerryB.
In Response To dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 23:13

That's Ok. I guess that I'll run along to bed. Actually I think that I'll stroll gently across the
room. I don't run any place any more. I don't care what Sim says about it. If you subject your
body to the kind of abuse that I did when I was young it doesn't hold up so well when you get
old. GRIN!!!

Hey, Willy and his Mom will be here in the morning to attend services with me.

dori
In Response To Gerry
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 23:02

Looks like we're just a few minutes too late, Gerry... grin.

GerryB.
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 22:55

You still around?

dori
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 22:54

Grin... don't give me that "old" story! LOL! You run circles around kids half your age, I'll bet.
Goodnight, sleep tight, and don't let the bedbugs bite!

Sim 2
In Response To Dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 22:51

I'm about to call it a day, "old age" ya know.

I don't know who said "old folks" don't need much sleep, but evidently they wasn't old
themselves or knew what they were talking about. Course that would include the "whole
world" today. LOL

SYT GLW atrdh JKG.

dori
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 22:43

Yes, we can see how our country has slidden just in the last couple of decades from a lack of
a spiritual base. I remember when it first started happening and preachers and the Christian
Coalition folks pointed it out. The reaction was, "Stay out of our bedrooms," It's my body, you
don't have a right to tell me what to do," etc. and people who should know better but wanted
to play without a guilt trip started calling religious people right-wing whackos. We have no
spiritual base in this country anymore.

dori
In Response To Sim
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 22:33

Okay! Are you gonna be here a bit? I'll read it and check back to see if you're here.

dori
In Response To A Catholic
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 22:32

Yep, I know the significance of those being the type of artwork for the Catholic missions in
California and their Spanish influence. And that art is still fitting for those churches. You get
such a feeling of history when you're there. I've been to the mission Pac spoke of when we
lived near the area 25 years ago. The missions are stark and seem to take you back in time
when you visit, don't they?

Sim 2
In Response To Dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 22:30

Check out the Alt R1, I posted the article I promised a few days ago.

RonB
In Response To Ctaj
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 21:49

Apparently it doesn't, since there weren't any witnesses. At least none that we heard from
in the bible. Only hearsay.

Maybe not of the actual resurrection, but of the resurrected Christ.

Sim 2
In Response To Ya'll
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 20:01

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things,

1Jo 2:27 But the anointing (Holy Ghost) which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye
need not that any man teach you:

but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it
hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."IF"...people don't..."KNOW THE TRUTH"...the only
reason is because they... "ARE NOT"...listening to the teaching of the "HOLY GHOST".

"SO"..what excuse will they offer God for their "ignorance"???

A Catholic
In Response To Dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 19:02

I suppose back a hundred or two years ago, those were the types of thoughts people
wanted reflected when they went to worship, but my tastes run to a bit more contemporary
depictions, more Biblical than mythical.

You have to remember that this country has a strong Puritan influence. The Mediterranean
countries don't have the same tastes in art that the majority of the founders of this country did.
The California missions were settled started Spaniards.

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 18:58

And in debate we are entitled to accept or reject the other side's "evidence".

Someday when I have more time, you'll have to give me some examples of "evidence"
presented by Christians. If you can.

`Ctaj
In Response To RonB
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 18:56

Evidence for Christ's resurrection depends on the witness of those who lived at the time

Apparently it doesn't, since there weren't any witnesses. At least none that we heard from in
the bible. Only hearsay.

Taking the girls to a movie. Later.

dori
In Response To Well, gotta go
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 17:51

Tonight is our spring concert. We're performing with the full orchestra! See you all latah!

dori
In Response To Ron
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 17:50

Re: Short answer. You can post if you want, but don't ridicule.

LOL! You don't know Ctaj very well, do you? That's like saying, you can post if you want,
but don't breathe. Hee hee... yer askin for it. But it's your room, sweetie.

RonB
In Response To Ctaj
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 17:44

I suppose I could come in there and express my most sincere concerns about whether or
not the resurrection really happened, but I'm afraid you wouldn't accept them as sincere.

I would recognize them as sincere, but I'm not sure how we could continue from there.
Evidence for Christ's resurrection depends on the witness of those who lived at the time -- and
those who witnessed miracles at later times. Many atheists automatically reject the witness of
Christians because they (the atheists), by faith, disbelieve in the possibility of miracles. They
claim that a miracle goes against the laws of nature -- which is, of course, true because that's
the definition a miracle.

Short answer. You can post if you want, but don't ridicule.

dori
In Response To Ctaj
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 17:21

And in debate we are entitled to accept or reject the other side's "evidence". If we allow our
frustrations at not being able to win a debate or to turn someone to our viewpoint to rule our
emotions, we start lashing out at other things, such as a person's intelligence or even past
embarrassing mistakes or other personal shortcomings. There can be no debate if there is no
respect of the other person.

`Ctaj
In Response To RonB
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 17:19

The True Church Forum, on the other hand is for "sincere" debate and questions about
the Catholic Church.

I suppose I could come in there and express my most sincere concerns about whether or not
the resurrection really happened, but I'm afraid you wouldn't accept them as sincere.

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 17:15

Debate is when two people of opposing views, express them back and forth, with evidence
to back it up and each side making his points and counterpoints, and agreeing or
disagreeing with each other's evidence.

Don't be silly. If "evidence to back it up" were a prerequisite, you Christians would have
nothing to say.

RonB
In Response To Ctaj
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 16:53

I have no distain for Ron's forum. It's just that he doesn't intend for it to be a "debate"
forum, so it's not my place to go in there and debate.

Hi Ctaj--

Sorry to come into the middle of this, but which forum are you speaking of? AntiVenom does
have a very limited focus -- to respond to the ravings of the SnakePit crew, and, as such, is not
really a debate forum. The True Church Forum, on the other hand is for "sincere" debate and
questions about the Catholic Church. What I don't want there are insults and ridicule of the
kind you will find at the SnakePit (and other bigoted anti-Catholic sites). What may be
confusing is that, at first, there was only going to be one forum that I was going to try to use it
to serve both purposes.

dori
In Response To Ctaj
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 16:38

Do you understand the meaning of the word debate? I don't think so... grin. Your idea of
debate is a little closer to pontificating. You don't allow your debating partner the courtesy of
having his own opinion. Debate is when two people of opposing views, express them back and
forth, with evidence to back it up and each side making his points and counterpoints, and
agreeing or disagreeing with each other's evidence. Early on in debate with you, when it is
determined you can't get the person to agree, you label him stupid, silly, or mildly retarded.
That effectively ends the debate.

`Ctaj
In Response To dori
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 16:29

I don't suppose your disdain for the place has anything to do with the fact you won't be
allowed to go there and commandeer the place, does it?

I have no distain for Ron's forum. It's just that he doesn't intend for it to be a "debate" forum,
so it's not my place to go in there and debate.

If I want to hear someone preach to the choir, there's a church just the other side of my back
fence.

RonB
In Response To SnakePit
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 16:16

O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of
the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth
good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto
you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of
judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
-- Mt 12

dori
In Response To Ron
Saturday April 20, 2002 at 16:12

Yep, I went back and read. I think I remember someone posting as the Chosen One at
another site... grin. Well, I think it's a great place. Thanks for thinking of it. BTW, I finally
figured out what I was doing wrong at your other room, only getting the threads. I was in that
part of the forum when I made the bookmark for the site. When I clicked return to the main
page, I was where I should've been. I'll figure it out eventually. See ya there later. I still didn't
read the second one you posted. I will go there to read it now and then I have a couple of
pups to tend to. Laterz!

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