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Date Posted: 06:55:25 04/22/02 Mon
Author: stored
Subject: R1

Religion I


The Philosopher's Corner, (and its varied forums) is for those wishing to debate ideas in an
environment relatively free of personal attacks. This does NOT mean that ideas are not to be
challenged and/or heavily debated. Bringing arguments from another forum to this forum or any
other PC forum totally distorts the original message made, gives a biased slant and is
inappropriate. Standing firm and making one's case on its own merits is the intelligent choice.
Attacking and/or challenging an opinion is fair game.. Attacking someone personally is not.
--Susan

Alternative R1 forum
Benefits: length of posts are basically unlimited, and if webforums break down we'll have a
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MESSAGES IN THIS FORUM ARE PRESENTED AS NEWEST TO OLDEST.

RonB
In Response To Ten Megs
Monday April 22, 2002 at 4:28

Heck, all Catholics still claiming to be Catholic today are "cafeteria Catholics".

Here's one who's not.

As for the pedaphile priests -- I agree. Scandal within the Church always does much more
damage than attacks from outside the Church. But the Church has come through crisis before,
which proves that, despite all the ways imperfect men can screw it up, the Church, itself, is still
infallible and the gates of hell can not prevail against it.

Ten Megaton Solution
In Response To Murray
Monday April 22, 2002 at 3:12

All you are saying by your comments is that you are a cafeteria Catholic

Heck, all Catholics still claiming to be Catholic today are "cafeteria Catholics". Leastwasy I
haven't heard that the Pope has ordered Cardinal Law to resign, which means the Pope himself
condones the shuttling of pedaphile priests around America. Which means the Pope himself is
condoning rape, child sexual abuse, and obstruction of justice.

And if that's the case, no self-respecting person would continue their association with that
Church.

RonB
In Response To dori
Monday April 22, 2002 at 2:56

New messages at AntiVenom and a marathon with Pac at True Church. Good night/morning.
May God be with you and all of good will.

RonB
In Response To Ctaj
Monday April 22, 2002 at 2:55

The more plausible story is that he didn't die on the cross, Joseph rescued him and never
placed him in the tomb, and that the "vision" seen afterward was of a resuscutated Jesus,
not a resurrected one.

That's only the "more plausible" story because you come in with the preconcieved notion that
Christ couldn't have died. This "plausible" story forgets to take into account that the Romans
were very efficient executioners and that they confirmed Christ was dead by piercing Him with
a lance (which was the Roman custom).

Sunny
In Response To Gotta bake cookies....
Monday April 22, 2002 at 0:52

An old pagan Sunday night tradition round our neck of the woods. (G) bbl..I think

Sunny
In Response To Sim~
Monday April 22, 2002 at 0:52

Mercy, you been listening to old "what'shisname" again, he'll have you leaving here on a UFO.
LOL

LOL it sure is true that when Jesus comes back as obviously as the lightening flashes from the
east to west, to the majority, it * WILL * be a UFO. Literally, unidentified, and unknown, to
them. (G)huggz~

Sunny
In Response To oops...sorry dudes
Monday April 22, 2002 at 0:49

I see that last post should have gone to Gerry. Well Ger, you and brother Sim are sure the
sweetest robots I ever posted with. huggz~

Sunny
In Response To Sim~
Monday April 22, 2002 at 0:47

Sunny doesn't need her Bible. She has Roy Masters to tell her everything. Yep

Sorry darlin, but my radio pastor did NOT tell me that true believers will go through the Great
Tribulation. I saw this one all on my own. (G) I guess you make statements like this since you
are the robot that's been programmed like YOUR pastor, huh? Yep (G) huggz~

dori
In Response To Gerry and Sim
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:40

Shaking my head here. The audacity of that woman coming in here and acting like she's a
heavyweight intellectual has me rolling on the floor! What a hoot.

G'night Sim. Sleep well!

Gerry, I hope you get that rain, hon. Still praying!

GerryB.
In Response To Sim
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:39

Good night, my brother.

Sleep well and God Bless you.

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:36

RE: "We all get what we believe about the Bible and God from what someone else has taught
us...UNLESS, we are listening to the Holy spirit...and even then it is filtered through what we
have already been taught, our culture and our personalities. Good night...sleep well. TTFN "

Nope. I get my beliefs from reading the Bible to find out what Jesus Christ taught about it plus
I have God's Holy Spirit to guide me in my studies. You never learned anything at all in Moody
College did you? The present culture has nothing to do with shaping my beliefs as a Christian.
It is opposed to Christian beliefs. You have to remember that I only became a Christian 10
years ago. Before that, I was, according to you, a professional killer and a damn good one at
that.

Sim 2
In Response To Ya'll
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:32

My "afternoon nap" just ran out on me, time for bed.

I'll see ya'll tomorrow GLW artdh JKG.

Sim 2
In Response To Coinkdink
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:28

I think it's all supposition based on trying to decifer the ramblings of a senile old man. (What
"old man"???( I know you're not refering to me, so who is it)

No offense to you, but I don't believe anyone can know what those symbolic (if that) writings
really mean (if anything).

Have you been to ALT R1 lately and read what I posted there??

These "symbolic" symbols are all explained in the Bible, it's a "self explanatory book", and it's
quite easy to comprehend if you allow the "Holy Ghost" to teach you.

GerryB.
In Response To Jeanie
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:27

RE: "I won't be rude to you about this, but I just don't buy all that. I've heard it several
different ways in several different sermons. I think it's all supposition based on trying to decifer
the ramblings of a senile old man. No offense to you, but I don't believe anyone can know
what those symbolic (if that) writings really mean (if anything)."

Are you calling, Paul, the great apostle and missionary to the gentiles a "senile old man?" If I
remember what I read concerning his life he was younger than you are when he was beheaded.
What symbolic writings do you have trouble understanding. I'll be happy to explain them to
you. I don't have the benefit of a Moody Bible College education either. Sounds like you spent
all your time there in the park.

dori
In Response To Coinky
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:27

You're not a bit sorry. You thrive on flitting in and out of here picking at bits and pieces of
posts and taking them out of context. Why not be honest? It's obvious you don't ever go back
and read the whole thread of a conversation or you'd be embarrassed by your shallowness.
Find someone else to give your sanctimonious remarks to, will you? You have too high an
opinion of yourself and it is grating. LOL!

*Coinkydink
In Response To Truth is, Gerry,
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:25

We all get what we believe about the Bible and God from what someone else has taught
us...UNLESS, we are listening to the Holy spirit...and even then it is filtered through what we
have already been taught, our culture and our personalities. Good night...sleep well. TTFN

*Coinkydink
In Response To Ya'll
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:22

I'm about fed up with the certainty that some put on their beliefs...there is NO certainty in any
of it...it is all taken by faith...no proof...until we call come before the Father. TB2 has just as
much possiblility of being right about what happens then as you do or I do or Ctaj does. It's
fine to say, "this is what I think the bible means". But to say, "this is what will happen and I will
rule with Christ and boy, are the rest of you in trouble" (paraphrasing)just doesn't wash.

gotta to go to bed...I'll come back maybe less impatient tomorrow. TTFN

Sim 2
In Response To GerryB
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:19

Sunny doesn't need her Bible. She has Roy Masters to tell her everything. Yep

Yep, yore right, but what can a man tell a "woman".

OH, ya better "DUCK", there'll be in coming rounds shortly. ROFL.

GerryB.
In Response To Faith
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:19

"Faith does not mean believing without evidence. It means believing in realities that go beyond
sense and sight—for which a totally different sort of evidence is required."
JOHN BAILLIE (1741–1806)

*Coinkydink
In Response To Sim
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:17

I won't be rude to you about this, but I just don't buy all that. I've heard it several different
ways in several different sermons. I think it's all supposition based on trying to decifer the
ramblings of a senile old man. No offense to you, but I don't believe anyone can know what
those symbolic (if that) writings really mean (if anything).

*Coinkydink
In Response To Sorry, Dori
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:12

But I think Murray was seeing things pretty clearly when he said this ..."Like I said, detente
stops with you when there is a conflict or disagreement of some kind. Perhaps you are
incapable of successfully relating to others below anything other than the most superficial level.
Keep it light and airy. Pretend to agree when you really don't just to preserve amity. Never
explore anything in too much depth, never be serious, never really look into ourselves to see
what beliefs drive us. Whine when others mischaracterize you, but run away from the
responsibility of it when you do it yourself. This is what you ask people to do in order to have
a relationship with you." What do you think?

Sim 2
In Response To Coinkdink
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:10

And I thought you were leaving on the first Rapture train out.

I is. Here the sequence of "end time events"

1. rapture
2.tribulation
3. Jesus's physical return
4.Millennium Reign, (when I rule, thousand years)
5.Satan loose, Great White Throne Judgment.
6. Earth/universe burned
New Heaven/Earth, New Jerusalem come down from Heaven to New Earth.

We don't spend eternity "in Heaven", but on the "New Earth". (which will be heaven)

GerryB.
In Response To Sim
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:07

Sunny doesn't need her Bible. She has Roy Masters to tell her everything. Yep.

GerryB.
In Response To Sim
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:05

Guess what? The weather forecasters are telling us that we are going to get a snowstorm
starting tomorrow. We didn't get enough to bother with all winter but now that spring is here
we are going to get a snow storm. Last week we had record high temperatures. Does that
make sense?

Sim 2
In Response To Sunny
Sunday April 21, 2002 at 23:05

Mercy, you been listening to old "what'shisname" again, he'll have you leaving here on a UFO.
LOL

Read your Bible, History proves God and Jesus doesn't deal with the Jews and Gentiles at the
same time, or in the same manner, the "law and prophets" stopped when Jesus came and
doesn't resume until he leaves, (rapture).

Until the "law and prophets" return, Jews will not believe, two thousand years prove that, and
Jesus said the same, so he can't/doesn't deal with them in the same manner he does with the
church.

Jesus as a "Vine" doesn't bear "figs", (Jews).

Jas 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs?

Sim 2
In Response To Dori
Monday April 22, 2002 at 8:51

Shaking my head here. The audacity of that woman coming in here and acting like she's a
heavyweight intellectual has me rolling on the floor! What a hoot.

HAY, you know me, I have to "ruffle some feathers", "Rub the cat's fur the wrong way" from
time to time, it's my "Nature". Nowatimean??? LOL

*Coinkydink
In Response To Dori
Monday April 22, 2002 at 8:50

" It's obvious you don't ever go back and read the whole thread of a conversation or you'd be
embarrassed by your shallowness. Find someone else to give your sanctimonious remarks to,
will you? You have too high an opinion of yourself and it is grating. LOL!" Actually I do go
back and read ALL the posts. sometimes it is just too much to reply to, especially since most
of the time no one is here to talk to when I am here.

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