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Date Posted: 09:48:05 02/02/02 Sat
Author: Manda
Author Host/IP: 213.122.201.109
Subject: With respect ........
In reply to: DJ 's message, "Here are some personal feelings expressed." on 09:27:40 02/02/02 Sat

... I am not interested in people's theories about why they lost faith. It seems to me that you may well be using these as a smokescreen as self-protection, to avoid facing the deeper reasons that things happened for your the way they did.

When I read the words you wrote before, I get from you a sense of deep hurt, deep betrayal by those who should have loved you and protected you. It feels like you weren't able to trust those who you were supposed to have been able to trust. I don't know if this was family, or church people, but that is what this feels like.

It is your own commitment to self-protection (which we all have, I am not condemning you for it) which is trying to put you off talking further about all of this; it feels like there may be a wall that you have built around yourself to protect yourself from the pain, and that because my words threaten to make tiny holes in that wall you withdraw and call me evil, once again in order to protect yourself.

DJ, I cannot prove my motives to you. Certainly not here on a message board. I can tell you that I care about you till the cows come home, and tell you that you have nothing to fear from me, but I cannot prove it here. If you want to give me a chance (and if you choose not to I wont take it personally) then you are free to email me (to my hotmail initially, as I do not put out my home email on the net) and I will make myself as available to you as you want, so that you can check me out properly.

I am sorry that I have asked such personal questions of you here, and am sorry if seeing them here in print has caused you pain. That was not my intention. I would not normally be so direct on a message board. These sorts of conversations are best in private, ideally face to face. So if I have crossed boundaries and walked clumsily into painful areas and probed where I had no right to probe, then I am sorry. Again, it was not my intention to hurt you, but wanted to try and show you that there may be other things at work here that have a bearing on how things are for you.

If you decide to back off and clam up now, then that is your prerogative, and I will respect that as your choice. I do not know what is right for you, and would not presume to do try and do your thinking for you. So I will wish you all the best, and if you decide to speak to me again, on or off the board, I will receive you warmly and be glad to "see" you.

take care

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Replies:

These are not theories, you open mouth and expose your ignorance to quick -- DJ, 09:54:07 02/02/02 Sat
- Well .......... -- Manda, 11:29:55 02/02/02 Sat
  - Yes, you were being very nosey. -- DJ, 18:48:55 02/02/02 Sat
    - You seemed open at the time (NT) -- Manda, 19:01:59 02/03/02 Sun
Trust me -- squeak, 10:15:21 02/02/02 Sat
- Pain? regarding Manda's comment... -- DJ ;^), 10:30:13 02/02/02 Sat
  - You know I didn't -- squeak, 11:09:48 02/02/02 Sat
    - I feel like the fish in a school of pirana. (NT) -- DJ ;^), 11:24:18 02/02/02 Sat
      - Instead of trying to find out ........ -- Manda, 11:36:57 02/02/02 Sat
        You just gum us to death (NT) -- DJ, 13:17:36 02/02/02 Sat
    - If I may say ...... -- Manda, 11:31:45 02/02/02 Sat
      - You may well, we can't stop you. -- DJ, 13:21:26 02/02/02 Sat
        So what? -- WOG, 21:40:23 02/02/02 Sat
        If a friend, then who needs the FBI? (NT) -- DJ, 10:51:37 02/03/02 Sun
        You don't have to answer DJ -- WOG, 11:08:07 02/03/02 Sun
        Nothing has changed, so long as we stick to the subject for why I'm here -- DJ, 11:12:31 02/03/02 Sun
        If I remember correctly -- WOG, 11:19:32 02/03/02 Sun
        I did that. If you will recall, we are to discuss the bible now -- DJ, 11:25:34 02/03/02 Sun
      - Please do -- squeak, 09:04:07 02/03/02 Sun
        Not at all squeak -- Manda, 10:53:16 02/03/02 Sun
        Re: Not at all squeak -- DJ, 10:57:56 02/03/02 Sun
        Give ... -- Manda, 11:11:11 02/03/02 Sun
        Lady, you read like a gossip column. -- DJ, 11:17:13 02/03/02 Sun
        That is -- Manda, 11:19:58 02/03/02 Sun
        No mam, you were taking chances -- DJ, 12:10:16 02/03/02 Sun
        Again -- Manda, 12:14:47 02/03/02 Sun
        OMG -- squeak, 12:41:24 02/03/02 Sun
        repressed shame? -- DJ, 12:54:24 02/03/02 Sun
        You are -- Manda, 13:53:55 02/03/02 Sun
        The truth is self-evident -- squeak, 11:20:18 02/03/02 Sun
        A cop out -- Manda, 11:21:43 02/03/02 Sun
        LOL....Then why did -- squeak, 11:47:28 02/03/02 Sun
        I was -- Manda, 12:03:47 02/03/02 Sun
        Ma'am You're an open Book! There's No need to judge the obvious. (NT) -- DJ, 12:14:47 02/03/02 Sun
        That's -- Manda, 12:16:35 02/03/02 Sun
        no prejudice, just observing the obvious (NT) -- DJ, 12:57:02 02/03/02 Sun
        Yep it's amazing -- Manda, 21:36:27 02/03/02 Sun
        Now you're quibbling with me. This is so immature. -- DJ, 01:01:54 02/04/02 Mon
        And -- Manda, 06:49:27 02/04/02 Mon
        You don't have to tell me that -- squeak, 12:17:19 02/03/02 Sun
        Where -- Manda, 12:20:14 02/03/02 Sun
        This Manda person is causing me suspicions -- DJ, 12:59:57 02/03/02 Sun
        LOL, -- squeak, 13:05:43 02/03/02 Sun
        Speaking of Sunday -- DJ, 13:13:36 02/03/02 Sun
        You too Deej -- squeak, 13:18:43 02/03/02 Sun
        Funny -- Manda, 15:06:19 02/03/02 Sun
        Oh stop it, Manda. This is getting pitiful (NT) -- DJ, 16:43:02 02/03/02 Sun
        Well! -- Manda, 19:00:16 02/03/02 Sun
- hi squeak -- Manda, 11:25:58 02/02/02 Sat
  - I never said I didn't want to answer you. -- DJ, 13:23:19 02/02/02 Sat
  - Right off the back -- squeak, 09:11:24 02/03/02 Sun
    - It seems to me that.... -- Manda, 11:07:18 02/03/02 Sun
      - Lady, you would like NOTHING better then to stick your nose in my dirt! -- DJ, 11:20:25 02/03/02 Sun
        I don't -- Manda, 11:26:31 02/03/02 Sun
        Do you know anyone without dirty laundry? -- DJ, 12:17:57 02/03/02 Sun
        Huh? -- Manda, 12:22:04 02/03/02 Sun
        Re: Huh?/ Stuff? -- DJ, 12:39:51 02/03/02 Sun
        Don't -- Manda, 19:13:56 02/03/02 Sun
        I don't have tactics -- DJ, 00:59:47 02/04/02 Mon
        Sure you do -- Manda, 06:51:37 02/04/02 Mon
  - Semantics -- squeak, 10:00:49 02/03/02 Sun
That's two of us Manda -- WOG, 14:52:40 02/02/02 Sat
- I had no idea -- Manda, 15:48:51 02/02/02 Sat
  - I'll talk to you about the bible if you'd like -- DJ, 16:19:57 02/02/02 Sat
    - Manda -- BL, 23:37:52 02/02/02 Sat
      - Re: Manda -- DJ, 11:03:35 02/03/02 Sun
        Hah! -- Manda, 11:13:47 02/03/02 Sun
        You're not a bad person, you just don't know the limits. (NT) -- DJ, 11:24:05 02/03/02 Sun
        Too late DJ -- Manda, 11:34:29 02/03/02 Sun
        Wait a minute -- squeak, 11:59:32 02/03/02 Sun
        If you think -- Manda, 12:08:17 02/03/02 Sun
        Now see? -- squeak, 13:16:16 02/03/02 Sun
        No need -- Manda, 19:18:40 02/03/02 Sun
        Re: Too late DJ/ No you're nosey with ulterior motives -- DJ, 12:32:07 02/03/02 Sun
        No DJ -- squeak, 13:21:59 02/03/02 Sun
        Grows up? -- Manda, 21:33:52 02/03/02 Sun
        You what? -- Manda, 21:29:23 02/03/02 Sun
        you're very juvenile (NT) -- DJ, 01:06:10 02/04/02 Mon
        Sure -- Manda, 10:06:32 02/04/02 Mon