| Subject: Re: Joseph Smith's Vision |
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Glen
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Date Posted: 11:06:53 12/09/01 Sun
In reply to:
cezoram
's message, "Re: Joseph Smith's Vision" on 20:31:11 12/08/01 Sat
>>>I apologize if this question has been asked of you a
>>>lot. I know how frustrating it is to be asked to
>sames
>>>questions over and over again.
>>>But I had been wondering about this. And thought this
>>>might be the best place to ask. My question is about
>>>the trinity and Joseph's vision. Now please correct
>me
>>>if i'm wrong, cos I don't know much about this, but
>my
>>>understanding of his vision, was that he saw God and
>>>Jesus Christ. As two seperate personages. Now I was
>>>told that you believe in the trinity. But wouldn't,
>>>what joseph saw, contridict with the trinity theory?
>>>Again I apologize if you've been asked this a lot. I
>>>just haven't found anyone to give me a straight
>>answer.
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your question. When Joseph Smith went
>>into the grove of trees to pray, He saw God the Father
>>and God the Son (Jesus Christ) as two separate beings
>>which they are I also believe that the Holy Ghost was
>>present as the third member of the Godhead (otherwise
>>Joseph wouldn't have been able to have seen the Father
>>and the Son and abided their presence. You must
>>understand that the doctrine of the Trinity which is
>>there is one God but three manifestations,in the
>>Persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost was
>>a teaching of the Apostacy. The Restored Church of
>>Jesus Christ has alway believed in the separation of
>>the Godhead since Joseph walked out of the grove in
>>the spring of 1820.
>>
>>
>>Shelby
>
>Shelby,
>
>I must disagree with you. The first written version
>of the First Vision account, was that which Joseph
>Smith actually wrote. He indicates that he saw only
>one being. I do not know when or why a second being
>was added to this First Vision account in subsequent
>versions. In the version that is in Joseph's
>handwriting (the only one in his handwriting), he says
>that he saw the Lord. This concept agrees with
>scripture. When Jesus was baptized, the people did
>not see God also. They just saw Jesus. They did hear
>God's voice though. On the mount, when Jesus was
>transfigured, Peter James, and John did not see God,
>also. They just saw Jesus. Yet, they heard God's
>voice. The Brother of Jared, when the veil was
>removed, saw only one being, and that being said that
>He was Jesus Christ, the Father and the Son. Abinadi
>said that Jesus is the Father and the Son -- the
>Father because He was conceived by the power of God
>and the Son because of the flesh.
>
>I feel that the "Trinity" concept is totally alien to
>the scriptures. The Jews knew that there is only one
>God. The scriptures teach that there is only one God.
>
>I believe the concept of God being three separate
>beings is unscriptural. Three separate beings equal
>three gods. I feel that if there are three gods, then
>they must either make their decisions by majority rule
>or common consent.
>
>I honestly do not see any evidence for there being
>more than just one God.
>
>Respectfully submitted,
>
>Cezoram
Cezoram,
Hard as it may be to believe, I am in general agreement with you. One God is all there is.
Love,
Glen
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