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Subject: Just wondering


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Mandi
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Date Posted: 12:27:16 02/01/02 Fri
Author Host/IP: 63.11.147.38

Julia,

How do you deal with selling horses that you have bred for and raised? Also, is there any particular age when you stop using a mare for breeding? Does it depend on the mare or is there any particular age where you don't bred them any more?
Would you know if you breed a purebred Arab stallion to a non-Arab mare, can you register then foal with the IAHA even if the dam is not registered anywhere?
Mandi

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Julia
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Date Posted: 04:34:26 02/02/02 Sat
Author Host/IP: 155.229.58.249

Hi Mandi..
I will try to answer your questions as they are written :)

>Julia,
>
>How do you deal with selling horses that you have bred
>for and raised?
Well... I tend to detach myself emotionally from them when I post them for sale. Not that I do not work to find that good home for them... just when they leave, I am able to let them go in my heart and mind. I usually follow up a little if I do not hear from the new owner, but the horse belongs to them and if everything is ok, I let it go :)

>Also, is there any particular age when you stop using a >mare for breeding? Does it depend on the mare or is there >any particular age where you don't bred them any more?
Hmm.. I have heard of broodmares being used when they are well into their 20's. My oldest mare is 20 this year, and I hope to get one more foal from her. If her health stays good and she does not have any trouble...maybe one more, but no more than that. If she does have trouble, she will be immediately retired. She is a good old mare who has had champions in 2 countries (at least) and she will be cared for...babies or no babies :)

>Would you know if you breed a purebred Arab stallion
>to a non-Arab mare, can you register then foal with
>the IAHA even if the dam is not registered anywhere?

I believe in that case, the papers would just read GRADE Mare and that you can register. Before you do this, however, I would check with IAHA to be sure you can register the foal and what would be involved.

I hope this helps Mandi... :)
Julia

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Mandi
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Date Posted: 19:11:37 02/05/02 Tue
Author Host/IP: 63.48.32.214

Julia,

Thanks for answering my questions, especially seeing as they just jump from one subject to another. Hope you don't mind but I have several others.
How do you decide which ones you keep and which ones you sell? Seeing as you bred Egyptian Arabs, is it hard to bred horses that are of similar bloodlines (sticking in the Eqyptian bloodlines) without the horses becoming too inbred? What do you do to help keep this from happening?
How do you keep enough variation in the pedigrees and horses that you use for breeding that you don't end up with say a colt and a filly that you decide to keep but they can't be bred together because they are too closely related? I know that some inbreding can enhance certain characteristics but too much can enhance the wrong ones. When you first started with breeding your mares did you send them to the same stallion or to different ones? How much does a pedigree count in your decision in breeding? Did you keep the first foal that you ever bred for or did you sell it? Have you ever done an embryo transfer on any of your mares? Would you do it again? If you haven't done it, would you use it on an old mare if you couldn't bred her any more?
I have a 26 year old mare that I would love to bred but #1 don't want to at her age and #2 she had extensive damage to her uterus and can't hold a pregnancy. I may just have to face the fact that there isn't any way to get a foal out of her and find a mare with similar breeding to buy and bred, but I am trying to see if there are any options to be able to get a foal out of her.
I hope that I haven't overwhelmed you with all these questions.
Thanks.
Mandi
p.s. I love the changes to the site!

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Julia
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Date Posted: 01:50:06 02/06/02 Wed
Author Host/IP: 216.89.236.117

Hi Mandi,
I don't mind answering questions at all :) Specially if I know what I am talking about...lol!!! Some of your questions I will have to answer from my heart, as I have no personal experience with it.. but here goes :)

>How do you decide which ones you keep and which ones
>you sell?
Thats a hard one!! I want temperament and type.. they go hand in hand, and athletic ability is just as important!! But I don't want to give up any one for any other... that makes me rather picky when looking at my own horses, and I hope I stay that way... don't want to go barn blind in my adventures! So, if I breed a nice filly with great bloodlines behind her... I would be likely to keep her, even if she is not a show stopper in halter. I would NOT keep her unless she had good potential ability, a good mind, and type. And I don't object to finding good "pet" homes for the horses I sell as well as helping someone else get a start... if you know what I mean :) If I get a colt, he DOES have to be a real show stopper for me to keep him...specially now that I have Pete (Ibn El Tareef). A nice colt with good type and good conformation can be found pretty easy, so exceptional is the only way I would keep another in tact colt!! These good, but not keeper, colts usually carry a fair, but reasonable price. I have 2 now, and one is a real beauty, that are for sale, for example. The little one is pretty and going to be a nice horse for an amateur, or a nice young stallion for someone starting out. Nothing wrong with him..just not a keeper! The 2 yr old is gorgeous...with extreme type, but for sale mostly because I don't have room and $$ enough to properly promote him to the point where he will be known enough to make a herd stallion for my farm. Does all that make sense to you?

>Seeing as you bred Egyptian Arabs, is it hard to bred >horses that are of similar bloodlines (sticking in the >Eqyptian bloodlines) without the horses becoming too >inbred? What do you do to help keep this from happening?
I used to worry about that...until I did my database and found out more about old time breeding... some of those foundation horses were bred using a lot of the same blood!
And, one bedouin saying that I have liked is "the sire of the sire should be the grandsire of the dam".
So... I don't think it will be a problem. I don't want to breed too close, but to give you an example of a planned breeding in a couple of years (she has stallions booked until 2003...lol). I have an Imperial Imdal daughter that I will breed to my Imperial Imdal grandson... both are fine examples of Egyptian horses with good temperaments, huge eyes and classic type..I should be fine in that cross.
I love Imperial Imdal. I love that Ansata look, and I have lots of it, but I also have some Sameh blood in using *El Mareekh and *Sultann lines. If I get too much of something, I will find an outcross stallion or mare, to balance things out :)

>How do you keep enough variation in the pedigrees and
>horses that you use for breeding that you don't end up
>with say a colt and a filly that you decide to keep
>but they can't be bred together because they are too
>closely related?
I would breed that colt or filly to an outcross horse.

>I know that some inbreding can enhance certain >characteristics but too much can enhance the wrong ones. >When you first started with >breeding your mares did you >send them to the same stallion or to different ones?
Different ones.. I have an Abraxas Halimaar daughter, a colt by The Sshadow, and one on the way by Zandai Abu Zeidan. Breeding 2 mares this year to Ibn El Tareef, and later in the year, after Jazzy foals her Zeidan baby (that just HAS to be a filly...lol), I will breed her back to Dakharo! He is not Egyptian, but I had to do it.. he is drop dead GORGEOUS!!!, then the resulting foal, if it is a filly will probably go to Pete for a very high quality related offspring.

>How much does a pedigree count in your decision in >breeding? A lot!! but it is not everything...hence the Dakharo breeding I got... :)

>Did you >keep the first foal that you ever bred for or >did you sell it? Sold it. Kept my first SE baby, which was a filly and I am glad I did... she is beautiful :) (Had she been a colt tho... she would have been for sale.)

>Have you ever done an embryo transfer on any of your >mares?
No... VERY expensive!! But I have friends who do that..

>If you haven't done it, would you use it on an old mare >if you couldn't bred her any more?
If I really wanted a foal by her, and could afford it, I would do it.

>I have a 26 year old mare that I would love to bred
>but #1 don't want to at her age and #2 she had
>extensive damage to her uterus and can't hold a
>pregnancy. I may just have to face the fact that there
>isn't any way to get a foal out of her and find a mare
>with similar breeding to buy and bred, but I am trying
>to see if there are any options to be able to get a
>foal out of her.
Good luck!! The expense of Embryo transfer makes it impossible to me... but you may want to check with repro vets in your area, or the vet school in your area and discuss the options. It may, sadly enough, be less expensive for you to purchase or lease a good mare for that foal...

>I hope that I haven't overwhelmed you with all these
>questions.
I have enjoyed answering you! Makes me think about what I am doing and why :)
Thanks for your compliment!! This update has been a long time in the making, and I am working on a more beautiful index page...(the first page you see with the big picture of Petey)... more and better changes still to come!
Julia

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