VoyForums
[ Show ]
Support VoyForums
[ Shrink ]
VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 12345678910 ]
Subject: Re: why?


Author:
Ivan
[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]
Date Posted: 10:52:39 02/04/04 Wed
Author Host/IP: wsp018611wss.ucsf.edu/128.218.186.166
In reply to: jj 's message, "why?" on 18:29:50 02/03/04 Tue

JJ and to anyone else,

You do not have to believe me at all. All I want is for the truth to come out, and I noticed factual errors and vocal classification errors, so I thought it would be best to give warning to music and regine fans.

Jun is correct that I do not take mistakes lightly, especially when they pertain to music, and since I love music and care that people should get the right information, not something that is obviously flawed, I posted a comment that some people construed as arrogant, and for that I apologize. I do not come here to brag but to share information - that is all.

Also, I have to say that there are some merits to the information in the article like the general vocal categories, but the naming of the singers and the placing of them to vocal sections are somewhat questionable.

And the one concerning counter-tenors being male altos or equivalent to female altos is not entirely true, for there are many male sopranos out there, capable of singing high soprano parts, even coloraturas. I can give you recordings of a man singing up to a G6 and holding it for quite a long time - very impressive.

Good day

[ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: why?


Author:
g7#
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 02:00:00 02/05/04 Thu
Author Host/IP: NoHost/203.190.86.87

o sige na nga, mababa ang boses ni Mariah at bass lang siya. o ayan masaya ka na!! at si regine mas mataas pa sa range ng piano. o ayan ha sana naman makuntento ka na. Naiinggit ka lang sa katotohanan na napakaspecial ng voice ni Mariah dahil kaya niyang mag-alto at magcoloratura na talagang pulido sa kahit sino mang singer dyan. Kaya nga e pansin ko lang ha sa mga posting mo si Mariah lang ang tinutuligsa mo. Hindi ka ba nagtataka kung bakit lyric si Regine? Para sa akin ay dapat wala siya dahil hindi naman siya legit. Hindi legit ang "tili" niya. O sige nga patunayan mong mali ang posting sa taas. Hoy bakla ka, pa male male soprano ka pa dyan e ang soprano ay sa babae, baka ikaw ang mali. Mariah's voice, manipis at alto? Listen to her subtle invitation song. pakinggan mo sa latter part ng kanta, at sabihin mong alto at weak ito. Ewan ko ba kung bakit hindi mo matanggap na mataas talaga at malawak ang range ni Mariah. Sa totoo lang ha mas mataas ng 2 octaves ang voice niya sa pinamataas na voice ng soprano(opera). So kung hindi ka parin maniwala magpakamatay ka na lang.!!!

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: why?


Author:
g7#
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 02:09:31 02/05/04 Thu
Author Host/IP: NoHost/203.190.86.87

talagang napaghahalataan na feeling mo napakaperfect mo. Sinabi mong hindi perfect ang article. So meaning nariyan ka na dapat paniwalaan kasi perfect ka, ganun ba yon? Hoy sa tono ng pananalita mo, naiinggit at insecure ka dahil hindi na classify si regine sa coloratura. aminin mo at pa warning warning ka pa sa mga reginians. Hay naku feeling talaga! E kung na classify si regine sa coloratura, alam ko abot abot ang ngiti mo sa batok at sasabihin mong perfect ang article. Talagang Pilipino ka nga.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: why?


Author:
Ivan
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 10:35:18 02/05/04 Thu
Author Host/IP: wsp018611wss.ucsf.edu/128.218.186.166

G7#,

if you read my earlier post, I said that Mariah defies classification because she can both sing really really high, but her natural singing voice is a firm alto as well - get my point? She can sing both coloratura high notes while her natural voice is a firm alto.

As for Regine, I adore regine but I would not consider her a coloratura soprano nor a legit soprano, that is why I also mentioned that this vocal categorization isn't meant for pop singers for the most part. But I do consider Regine to be a great singer, and putting her in the coloratura fach when in fact she is not won't make me happy and grin from ear to ear like what you mentioned. I dont think I am perfect and that is not the point here.

What I am trying to do is put some light into some information, and I also mentioned that the article is not completely without merit.

And yes, I am filipino and proud to be one, and I am proud of our talented singers, but that does not prevent me from liking other artist even more even if they are foreigners.

Lea Salonga, along with Regine, happens to be my favorite pinoy singer, and yet I consider Lea to be an Alto, and it does not sadden me a bit. She has a lovely voice no matter what her vocal range is.

We all have our favorites, but that should not make any of us ridicule people for choosing someone we don't like.



>mo. Sinabi mong hindi perfect ang article. So meaning
>nariyan ka na dapat paniwalaan kasi perfect ka, ganun
>ba yon? Hoy sa tono ng pananalita mo, naiinggit at
>insecure ka dahil hindi na classify si regine sa
>coloratura. aminin mo at pa warning warning ka pa sa
>mga reginians. Hay naku feeling talaga! E kung na
>classify si regine sa coloratura, alam ko abot abot
>ang ngiti mo sa batok at sasabihin mong perfect ang
>article. Talagang Pilipino ka nga.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: why?


Author:
G7#
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 03:24:47 02/06/04 Fri
Author Host/IP: NoHost/203.190.86.60

>G7#,
>
>if you read my earlier post, I said that Mariah defies
>classification because she can both sing really really
>high, but her natural singing voice is a firm alto as
>well - get my point? She can sing both coloratura high
>notes while her natural voice is a firm alto.
>
Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e. Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga siya.
sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan kaamo.
So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop singers?

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: why?


Author:
ivan
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 10:08:32 02/06/04 Fri
Author Host/IP: wsp018611wss.ucsf.edu/128.218.186.166

G7#,

Charlotte Church is TRYING TO BE a Soprano, and she isn't all that good either. She is way too young, the voice still needs a lot to learn. Her high notes are thin and airy, not really fully developed yet. She is also very mannered.

Yes, I said that Mariah's high notes are thin and airy and chopped, but I also said that she sings really high and very low. I am not bashing Mariah for the sake of Bashing her. I can see that you idolize her and feel threatened that your DIVA is not what its cracked up to be.

I have nothing against Mariah; she is a lovely woman and a good singer, but she is not above reproach as a singer. Like many singers, she has her strong points and flaws. I like her and in fact have several of her earlier albums, but I won't be as maniacal about my adoration for her like you do.

My god, you hurl insults at me as if I am attacking you personally. I am not attacking you personally and neither should you attack me.

How would I classify pop singers. Males are easy to classify, because they all fall under the male vocal categories easily base on range. The women are tricky because you need to hear how far their ranges are. Often times, they sing songs that do not show their full range.
Personally, I would ask them to vocalize for me to put them in categories and how comfortable they are in singing certain high notes, because you need to factor in comfort to be able to classify one's voice.

For example, I can sing a C above middle C, and that puts me in the TENOR category, but I don't feel comfortable sustaining that note for a long period of time. I can sustain a B, a note below the C. Plus, my vocal texture is that of a baritone. I don't sound like a tenor but a baritone, but I have the range of a tenor, but my voice is too young to be considered a Dramatic Tenor because I don't have the full weight of the voice yet. it will come as I get older.

In closing, think what you want and say what you want. But remember that I am not here to bash any singer in particular. So chill. I don't hate Mariah. I like her and often TRY to sing her songs when im at a Karaoke place. You can ask my opinion about certain singers and I will give you my honest answer. There is no such thing as a perfect singer. All of them have flaws!


>Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang
>sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang
>ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung
>kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e.
>Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga
>siya.
> sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan
>kaamo.
> So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na
>yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop
>singers?

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: why?


Author:
g7#
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 15:48:01 02/06/04 Fri
Author Host/IP: NoHost/203.190.86.154

>G7#,
>
>Charlotte Church is TRYING TO BE a Soprano, and she
>isn't all that good either. She is way too young, the
>voice still needs a lot to learn. Her high notes are
>thin and airy, not really fully developed yet. She is
>also very mannered.
>
>Yes, I said that Mariah's high notes are thin and airy
>and chopped, but I also said that she sings really
>high and very low. I am not bashing Mariah for the
>sake of Bashing her. I can see that you idolize her
>and feel threatened that your DIVA is not what its
>cracked up to be.
>
>I have nothing against Mariah; she is a lovely woman
>and a good singer, but she is not above reproach as a
>singer. Like many singers, she has her strong points
>and flaws. I like her and in fact have several of her
>earlier albums, but I won't be as maniacal about my
>adoration for her like you do.
>
>My god, you hurl insults at me as if I am attacking
>you personally. I am not attacking you personally and
>neither should you attack me.
>
>How would I classify pop singers. Males are easy to
>classify, because they all fall under the male vocal
>categories easily base on range. The women are tricky
>because you need to hear how far their ranges are.
>Often times, they sing songs that do not show their
>full range.
>Personally, I would ask them to vocalize for me to put
>them in categories and how comfortable they are in
>singing certain high notes, because you need to factor
>in comfort to be able to classify one's voice.
>
>For example, I can sing a C above middle C, and that
>puts me in the TENOR category, but I don't feel
>comfortable sustaining that note for a long period of
>time. I can sustain a B, a note below the C. Plus, my
>vocal texture is that of a baritone. I don't sound
>like a tenor but a baritone, but I have the range of a
>tenor, but my voice is too young to be considered a
>Dramatic Tenor because I don't have the full weight of
>the voice yet. it will come as I get older.
>
>In closing, think what you want and say what you want.
>But remember that I am not here to bash any singer in
>particular. So chill. I don't hate Mariah. I like her
>and often TRY to sing her songs when im at a Karaoke
>place. You can ask my opinion about certain singers
>and I will give you my honest answer. There is no such
>thing as a perfect singer. All of them have flaws!
>
>
>>Huwag ka ng magpalusot, talagang mariah basher ka. Ang
>>sabi mo pa nga e weak ang voice niya. talaga lang
>>ha?!? E si Charlotte church diba soprano yon. Yung
>>kanta niyang o holy night e wala ngang stamina e.
>>Parang nanglalantang gulay. at oo legit soprano nga
>>siya.
>> sa tono ng mga earlier post mo ay hindi ka ganyan
>>kaamo.
>> So kung hindi para sa pang-pop yang classification na
>>yan. paano mo maclaclasify ang mga boses ng mga pop
>>singers?

about the range of regine, how wide is her octaves?
same to Christina, Celine and others singers (including males) you think who have this belting capability.
BTW how would you know if the voice sounds thin and choppy?

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: why?


Author:
ivan
[ Edit | View ]

Date Posted: 00:00:22 02/08/04 Sun
Author Host/IP: c-67-169-166-130.client.comcast.net/67.169.166.130

G7#,

I would not know their actual ranges since I have not heard them vocalize, but I have heard that Christina had difficulty producing an E above C above middle C. I have heard regine sing an F above the C above middle C.

You have to consider that a lot of women cannot belt that high, usually they sing C to D as their top belting notes.

When I say thin, I mean they sound like TILI-ING. As for chopped, I mean not being able to sing a musical phrase in one breath. In some cases, it means the voice actually stopping while still singing.

[ Post a Reply to This Message ]


Post a message:
This forum requires an account to post.
[ Create Account ]
[ Login ]
[ Contact Forum Admin ]


Forum timezone: GMT-8
VF Version: 3.00b, ConfDB:
Before posting please read our privacy policy.
VoyForums(tm) is a Free Service from Voyager Info-Systems.
Copyright © 1998-2019 Voyager Info-Systems. All Rights Reserved.