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Subject: Re: Amen! Author: nobody [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 16:05:26 01/13/02 Sun In reply to: Robert Nicholson 's message, "Re: Amen!" on 17:23:03 01/12/02 Sat >>I believe in God. He is one God, but with three >>persons in the form of God the Father, God the Son, >>Jesus the Christ, and God the Holy Spirit. Not three >>God's, but one. True,but I don't think the word Trinity is even close to defining this relationship. >>I believe that God is omniscient (He knows all.) Maybe - He knows all that can be known - but does He know the future choices of free creatures. >>omnipotent,(He is unlimited in His power, with the >>exception of being in anyway evil or contradictory to >>His nature described in the Bible.) Yes,but does not exercise that power in all situations. And as a matter of fact emptied Himself of said power to live as a man and became a servant. Alsao omnipotent does not mean that God can do what is logically impossible - i.e. making a perfectly round square. >>and omnipresent (He is everywhere.) Yes >>That the Bible is written by God through man and in >>its original form is inerrant. There is no evidence that the original autographs were inerrant. Inerrancy is a man made doctrine. >>That Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. Yes >>Jesus came from Heaven to earth as an example to men. >>Jesus was fully man and fully God. The bible neber says that Jesus was *fully* man and *fully* during his incarnation. Jesus did not in fact know the hour of His return - so He was not all knowing at that point. >>Jesus was born of the virgin Mary, conceived by the >>Holy Spirit. Yes >>Jesus died on the cross as a payment for our sins. Atonement - now that is a debatable subject. What does dying for our sins really mean? >>We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ >>and this is available to anyone who wishes to receive >>it. I agree - but I don't think Jamers did - James chpt.2 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> Subject: A question open for discussion? Author: Samoria [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:09:32 01/14/02 Mon >>>We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ >>>and this is available to anyone who wishes to receive >>>it. > >I agree - but I don't think Jamers did - James chpt.2 Please clarify for me... what do you mean? Are you claiming that James did not preach that we are saved by grace *alone* and not by work? I'm confused. Please clarify. Thank you. =) Btw all.. Hiya! My first time here.. I followed a Prinncesss here... yay for CARM boards! ;) I'm open for much discussion.. but I admit, my 'expertise' is in the area of Latter Day Saints (Mormons..) Cheers, Samoria [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: A question open for discussion? Author: nobody [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 06:16:55 01/14/02 Mon Yes Samoria,I believe James clearly contradicted the teaching of Paul. That James taught that we are justified by faith and works as opposed to faith apart from works - Rom.4. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: No contradiction between James and Paul Author: prinncesss [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:00:37 01/14/02 Mon >>>>We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ >>>>and this is available to anyone who wishes to >receive >>>>it. >> >>I agree - but I don't think Jamers did - James chpt.2 > >Please clarify for me... what do you mean? Are you >claiming that James did not preach that we are saved >by grace *alone* and not by work? I'm confused. >Please clarify. Thank you. =) > >Btw all.. Hiya! My first time here.. I followed a >Prinncesss here... yay for CARM boards! ;) I'm open >for much discussion.. but I admit, my 'expertise' is >in the area of Latter Day Saints (Mormons..) > > Cheers, > Samoria James only supports what Paul says. He is just saying that works are evidence of faith, not the substance of it. Thanks for coming Samoria, good to have you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Sorry to disagree Author: nobody [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:23:33 01/14/02 Mon >James only supports what Paul says. He is just >saying that works are evidence of faith, not the >substance of it. This is untrue. First point - how was the condition of Gen.15:6 met: By faith apart from works Rom.4:3-6? Or by faith and works James 2:21,22,23? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]