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Subject: Re: We're on the same page Karen Author: karenk [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 07:22:28 01/14/02 Mon In reply to: Samoria 's message, "Re: We're on the same page Karen" on 05:26:40 01/14/02 Mon >Why is a female God necessary? If anything is >possible with God, then couldn't He make Jesus and do >everything He does without a female Mother God? Karen: Your question is like asking "why is the female necessary for reproduction of the human race?" This is Gods world. And there is both male and female at work in it. >Bible says 'man' was created in His image... I don't >see where it says 'woman' was created in His image. >I'm just curious as to where you get your 'proof' or >evidence of this claim..? Karen: This is strange, because there is two accounts in Genesis where one says male and female were created in his image, and the other just says man. But it does say that female and male were created in his image. I think that "male and female" should not be confused with "man and woman". Man and woman speaks of physical bodies, while male and female speaks of essence. >So if man was made in His image... and you say Adam >was male/female at first, then split... then does this >support your claim of there being a Mother God? >Wouldn't that just show that God has a motherly side >to Him, and doesn't mention a seperate Mother God..? Karen: We are not trying to say there is a seperate God. God is one...both male and female just as humantiy is both male and female. Think of it this way: humanity is made in Gods image. Humanity is male and female. >I think the only way she can be called 'Mother' Mary >is when speaking of the physical birth of Jesus. I >don't believe in the 'real Mother' as you mention in >being a Mother God though. I just don't see any >evidence of her. =P Karen: Neither Diane or I think that Mary is Gods "female side" or Mother. Mary is Jesus' earthly mom. And she should be looked up to, like the other apostles and profets but she should not be made into a goddess. >May I ask what evidence you have to claim God has a >Mother God with Him that is His 'craftman'? Also, how >can God have a 'partner' Mother God, if the Bible >clearly speaks that God knows of *no other* God? >Please clarify..? > >Cheers, >Samoria Karen: I think it would be the Holy Spirit. And, there is NO OTHER GOD. God does not have a Mother God, God is God...and he is male and female. God created Adam...male and female...then God split him into two and made man and woman. The Holy Spirit, if she be the "female" side of God, has been revealed in Jesus Christ, it seems. In Jesus there is no division of man or woman. We are all one in Christ. Try not to think of God as a man, or as a woman, or as a man and woman. No. Think God male and female. There is a difference, I think. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Great answer Author: Diane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:55:32 01/14/02 Mon >Karen: Your question is like asking "why is the female >necessary for reproduction of the human race?" ~~~~~~~~~~~This answer just makes me laugh. So good to have someone around that thinks like me. That's right! Everything around us shows evidence that both male and female are necessary for life to exist. And we are without excuse. How can we not know this one? >Karen: >This is strange, because there is two accounts in >Genesis where one says male and female were created in >his image, and the other just says man. But it does >say that female and male were created in his image. I >think that "male and female" should not be confused >with "man and woman". Man and woman speaks of >physical bodies, while male and female speaks of >essence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~Right on. God is Spirit. And we have God's Spirit within us. But in the Spiritual world, things are reversed from the physical, agree? >Karen: >Neither Diane or I think that Mary is Gods "female >side" or Mother. Mary is Jesus' earthly mom. And she >should be looked up to, like the other apostles and >profets but she should not be made into a goddess. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thanks, Karen. I never thought of this before. She did work with the disciples afterward, and she deserves as much respect as any of them. But to pray to her is inconceivable to me - just as I couldn't pray to Peter, or James, or Paul. >The Holy Spirit, if she be the "female" side of God, >has been revealed in Jesus Christ, it seems. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~In some versions of the Bible it says the Lord is the Spirit. But it also says that Jesus is the wisdom of God, and wisdom is most definately female, as given by the first few chapters of Proverbs. Jesus said too that 'wisdom is proved right by her children', indicating that wisdom is female. Jesus was full of wisdom. Can anyone disagree with that? Diane [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Great answer Author: Diane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:08:21 01/14/02 Mon >Karen: Your question is like asking "why is the female >necessary for reproduction of the human race?" ~~~~~~~~~~~This answer just makes me laugh. So good to have someone around that thinks like me. That's right! Everything around us shows evidence that both male and female are necessary for life to exist. And we are without excuse. How can we not know this one? >Karen: >This is strange, because there is two accounts in >Genesis where one says male and female were created in >his image, and the other just says man. But it does >say that female and male were created in his image. I >think that "male and female" should not be confused >with "man and woman". Man and woman speaks of >physical bodies, while male and female speaks of >essence. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~Right on. God is Spirit. And we have God's Spirit within us. But in the Spiritual world, things are reversed from the physical, agree? >Karen: >Neither Diane or I think that Mary is Gods "female >side" or Mother. Mary is Jesus' earthly mom. And she >should be looked up to, like the other apostles and >profets but she should not be made into a goddess. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Thanks, Karen. I never thought of this before. She did work with the disciples afterward, and she deserves as much respect as any of them. But to pray to her is inconceivable to me - just as I couldn't pray to Peter, or James, or Paul. >The Holy Spirit, if she be the "female" side of God, >has been revealed in Jesus Christ, it seems. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~In some versions of the Bible it says the Lord is the Spirit. But it also says that Jesus is the wisdom of God, and wisdom is most definately female, as given by the first few chapters of Proverbs. Jesus said too that 'wisdom is proved right by her children', indicating that wisdom is female. Jesus was full of wisdom. Can anyone disagree with that? Diane [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: It happened again... Author: Diane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 11:19:22 01/14/02 Mon For some reason it doesn't want to show up the first time. So I go back and try again...sure enough it comes out twice. Diane [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Great answer Author: karenk [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:14:01 01/14/02 Mon >>Karen: Your question is like asking "why is the female >>necessary for reproduction of the human race?" > >~~~~~~~~~~~This answer just makes me laugh. So good to >have someone around that thinks like me. That's right! >Everything around us shows evidence that both male and >female are necessary for life to exist. And we are >without excuse. How can we not know this one? Karen: Yes, and if we were to say that man alone is the image of God, then God flopped. Because man alone can never "create" children and other things. So this image of God would need something/one besides himself to "create"...and that is not the image of the real God. The real God does not need any other. Just He/She as one to create. > > > >>Karen: >>This is strange, because there is two accounts in >>Genesis where one says male and female were created in >>his image, and the other just says man. But it does >>say that female and male were created in his image. I >>think that "male and female" should not be confused >>with "man and woman". Man and woman speaks of >>physical bodies, while male and female speaks of >>essence. > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~Right on. God is Spirit. And we have >God's Spirit within us. But in the Spiritual world, >things are reversed from the physical, agree? Karen: Not quite sure what you mean by that. >~~~~~~~~~~~~~In some versions of the Bible it says the >Lord is the Spirit. But it also says that Jesus is the >wisdom of God, and wisdom is most definately female, >as given by the first few chapters of Proverbs. Jesus >said too that 'wisdom is proved right by her >children', indicating that wisdom is female. Jesus was >full of wisdom. Can anyone disagree with that? > >Diane Karen: So wisdom comes from the heart? Whats left in the "head" for man? lol. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Never heard of that before? Author: Diane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:08:57 01/14/02 Mon >Karen: Yes, and if we were to say that man alone is >the image of God, then God flopped. ~~~~~~~~~LOL Because man alone >can never "create" children and other things. So this >image of God would need something/one besides himself >to "create"...and that is not the image of the real >God. The real God does not need any other. Just >He/She as one to create. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~It's just that we've been letting men have control of interpretation for so long that they forget all the parts of the Bible that show these things. They don't want to see so they don't bother to look, and they certainly don't teach on it. I have never heard a preacher talk on the subject of 'wisdom being female' ever. Nor that wisdom is partner to the Lord, nor that she is God. >>Right on. God is Spirit. And we have >>God's Spirit within us. But in the Spiritual world, >>things are reversed from the physical, agree? > >Karen: Not quite sure what you mean by that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Have you never heard that the Spiritual is reversed to the physical world? >Karen: So wisdom comes from the heart? Whats left in >the "head" for man? lol. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~I believe that wisdom IS the heart of God. She is also the tree of life, if we choose her. You see, the tree of life branches out to the whole body just as the tree of knowledge sends out its own system to reach all parts of the body. Only these two organs have direct lines to anywhere and everywhere in the body. If the head has no heart to temper it, the body dies. Diane [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Never heard of that before? Author: karenk [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:57:13 01/15/02 Tue Yes I think I have heard before about the reversal of heaven and earthly things. I am more for an eye on finding parallel things though. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: They are parallel... Author: Diane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:46:20 01/16/02 Wed ...they just run in opposite directions time-wise, or chronoligically. Like two circles, on on top of the other - but the spiritual runs in reverse direction. Diane [ Post a Reply to This Message ]