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Date Posted: 16:27:56 10/13/04 Wed
Author: Shane
Subject:

Baptism and ICC
In reply to: John 's message, "Development of UBF Lite" on 16:54:12 10/11/04 Mon

John,

The LA church of Christ used to be very active on the Long Beach state campus in the early to mid 90's. I remember arguing with one member for several hours about baptism. She said that you had to be baptized to be saved and that the only true baptism was through the ICC. Do you still beleive baptism is neccessary for salvation?

Shane

>I wrote to what I believe to be Chris's website, but
>then subsequently found the forum. I apologize to
>Chris for the duplication.
>
>I am part of what used to be the International
>Churches of Christ. I've seen some comments on ex-UBF
>sites that talk about similarities between the two
>organizations, and I believe the comparisons are quite
>accurate.
>
>My interest is in the history and development of CMI
>as a sort of UBF Lite. My understanding is that
>leaders of what is now known as CMI wanted to address
>past abuses, but maintain the work already done by the
>UBF. From what I have been able to read, it seems like
>that it is pretty much a kinder,gentler version of the
>same bad doctrine and practice.
>
>From my own experience, the ICoC seems to be following
>the same course. As one of their leading teachers
>wrote in his resignation rel=nofollow target=_blank >href="http://www.barnabasministry.com/icc-resignationj.
>html"> letter, his church was still focused or a
>leader-centric ministry approach. In other comments,
>he has spoken of an ICC Lite that still practices the
>ICC form of 'discipling' and structure, but promises
>to be nice to each other.
>
>Regarding CMI, is this what is happening there? Is it
>just like UBF, but everyone plays nice to each other?
>To give some small credit to ICC Leaders, there seems
>to be a real effort to do everything possible to
>acknowledge past errors (granted, these efforts fall
>short of getting outside help) and hear the other side
>of issues. I don't think it gets to the heart of the
>mattter at all, but I wanted to be somewhat fair.

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Replies:

Baptism vs. ICC Baptism -- John, 17:32:30 10/13/04 Wed
- Re: Baptism vs. ICC Baptism -- Joe, 18:04:47 10/13/04 Wed
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