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Date Posted: 15:00:30 03/31/04 Wed
Author: Rick
Subject: To: sader 1970 & All re: Duke SAT's
In reply to: sader1970 's message, "HC direction" on 07:16:03 03/31/04 Wed

" He also spoke about BB programs at schools like Duke, who he claimed had an average SAT of between 925-950 on the BB team vs. 1300+ for the school average. "

1970 -

These aren't your words....I'm not shooting the messenger, just the message. FWIW, I gleened the following from Duke's web site on their 5 starters plus the top 2 subs off the bench as regards HS/Prep academic credentials:

C Sheldon Williams ( soph ) - National Honor Society

F Luol Deng ( frosh ) - " An outstanding student ", speaks 3 languages fluently.

G J.J. Redick ( soph ) - nothing noted.

G Chris Duhon ( senior ) - National Honor Society

G Daniel Ewing ( junior ) - " Honor Roll student ", City of Houston Athletic Committee Scholar-Athlete in 2001, Scholar Athlete of the Year, Academic Excellence Award.

C Nick Horvath ( senior ) - Double Major in Physics and English.

F Shavlik Randolph ( soph ) - Four-Year Honor Roll.

I kinda doubt it would logically follow that 6 of the above 7 youngsters would have scored 925/950 on their SAT's. Here's the rest of Duke's roster:

G Patrick Davidson ( frosh ) - " member of the Beta Club for academics in high school "

G Andy Borman ( senior ) - nothing noted.

G Sean Dockery ( soph ) - nothing noted.

F Patrick Johnson ( junior ) - National Honor Society

G Andy Means ( senior ) - A three-time Academic All-Conference award winner. Indiana Basketball Coaches Association Academic All-State Honorable Mention selection as a senior.

F Lee Melchionni ( soph ) - was class president during his junior year of high school. Also involved in the Student Council, the Singing Patriots (a competitive performing group), Kids Teaching Kids and the Ambassador Club as a prep student.

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[> [> Re: To: sader 1970 & All re: Duke SAT's -- zipp, 15:32:28 03/31/04 Wed

Rick-
Yeah I have a comment, obviously Dean Velloccio....I mean, umm, ah, whoever made those comments to 1970 has an ax to grind...

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[> [> Re: To: sader 1970 & All re: Duke SAT's -- hchoops, 17:23:41 03/31/04 Wed

it's good that the current duke team has some athletes who achieved academically in hs--some of their predecessors and the "no comments" for this roster have not--but don't presume that the nhs designation correlates to above a 950 sat--even in strong high schools grade inflation is rampant-i teach in a respected public long island school,and even though many of our nhs kids have high sat's,there are also many in the 900 range

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[> [> [> To: hchoops -- Rick, 19:04:41 03/31/04 Wed

" it's good that the current duke team has some athletes who achieved academically in hs--some of their predecessors and the "no comments" for this roster have not "

Umm....the terminology I chose to use was 'nothing noted' not 'no comments'. You appear to be suggesting that the absence of academic achievment for THREE of the TWELVE Duke kids is proof positive that they were sub-par academically.

Interestingly enough, if I'd have gone to HC's site and run the same exercise with our men's basketball roster, I'd have posted ELEVEN 'nothing noted's' or 'no comments' and ONE 'Was a member of the National Honor Society and a National Merit Scholar' ( Kevin Hyland ). I wonder how someone from Duke might interpret that ?

" but don't presume that the nhs designation correlates to above a 950 sat--even in strong high schools grade inflation is rampant-i teach in a respected public long island school,and even though many of our nhs kids have high sat's,there are also many in the 900 range. "

Sounds like you are very suspect of the National Honor Society. If you teach in a respected public long island school and you're 5-member Faculty Council is admitting 'many' students as members with SAT's in the 900 range, I'd suggest that your school isn't going to be respected much longer.

You really don't like Duke do you.

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[> [> [> [> Re: To:rick -- hchoops, 20:33:12 03/31/04 Wed

sat scores are not one of the criteria for admission to the nhs-many high schools,esp inner city ones where duke and other powers get their recruits, have nhs students with low sats--duke has taken many good students and many weak students as players--what annoys me is when people transfer the ave sat of the general student body to their athletes

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