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Date Posted: 11:28:13 06/24/04 Thu
Author: dadominate
Subject: lacrosse problems
In reply to: NTKHC64 's message, "Re: Look to NJ/Rick" on 09:33:28 06/24/04 Thu

in order to be succesful, first and foremost the HC lacrosse program really just needs a committment from the athletic department.

unlike basketball and football, the admissions office has very little to do with the lack of success in my eyes. how many of the top lacrosse players out there were non-qualifiers with academic problems? not many. do any of you really think we aren't getting great players b/c admissions is turning them away? if so, you need to get real. for the most part, the country's best lacrosse players go to excellent private schools or public schools in generally wealthy areas. therefore, they are usually at least decent students.

my high school is one of the top teams in the best league in the country (the MIAA) - send guys to princeton, hopkins, syracuse, etc. every year. i don't remember anyone on any team in my years there who would have been a huge stretch for any admissions department at any school. people don't like to generalize, but lacrosse players are generally good students.

admissions isn't the problem with lacrosse, it's the lack of a financial resources dedicated to the program. hc COULD become a power in lacrosse. our academic standards wouldn't hurt us the way they do in basketball and football. i'm from baltimore where lacrosse is huge so i'll admit i'm biased, but i would like to see us make more of a commitment to the lacrosse program b/c it's one of the few sports we could truly become nationally competitive in with some effort.

p.s. i know you're proud of your home state, but as for lacrosse ntk, forget about new jersey! the HC roster this year didn't have a single kid from the state of maryland! i would be willing to bet that there isn't a single other D-1 team with a winning record that did not have at least one kid from maryland. watching the final four this year was like watching one of the maryland all-star games.

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[> [> Re: Look to NJ/Rick - '64 -- Rick, 11:28:27 06/25/04 Fri

Re: CBA

You're in a much better position than I on the Colt's profile. Yes, I'm aware of the Duerr youngster and his stature statewide in NJ. We definately should be getting more kids out of CBA in all sports. Wasn't there a former Colt swimmer that went to HC a couple years ago ? In the past we've mentioned Vito Charvralotti, AIR was a 2-sport AA for CBA ( swimming and baseball ), who starred on the diamond at Richmond ( nearly single-handidly knocked Wake Forest out of the NCAA's 2 years ago )and more recently the Scroki(sp) kid in hoops at Richmond. Generally speaking, does CBA send/place many students at HC annually ?

Delbarton - This is a pretty preppy/rich kid's type school with about a 500 all-male enrollment. They are heavily in to Notre Dame, BC, Penn, Princeton, Dartmouth and Duke on placements annually. AIR, one of our hockey recruits this year is Dale Rheinhardt(sp), one of the top players/scorers ( and an excellent student I'm told ) in NJ this past season. Like CBA, Delbarton annually has a cracker-jack hockey club. Very unusual/rare for HC to land a Delbarton kid and one with athletic credentials like this. They also have an outstanding lacrosse program annually. Again, I don't think HC is high on their guidance placement list annually.

Seton Hall Prep - I remember Brandon Doria being a wiz-bang hockey player at HC after a steller Prep career at SHP where I believe he led them to a couple state championships and garnered NJ POY honors his Senior year. Why no follow-up recruiting at this perennial hockey powerhouse in NJ ? I see they also made some statewide noise in lacrosse this past season. I would think there are some recruits there, you agree ? Again, it appears SHP places alot of their grads with BC, Gtown, ND, Yale and Penn with HC down the pecking order annually.

St. Peter's Prep - This used to be a desired pipeline school for HC - particularly in football and baseball. Don't know about their lacrosse program.

Mountain Lakes HS - This is a relatively small public school located in a predominately wealthy small town that has an outstanding lacrosse program - for girls AND boys. Plus, this school is ranked very high academically. Why don't we recruit here....or do we ?

Ridgewood HS - same story/profile as Mountain Lakes, you agree ? Are we recruiting here for both the men's AND women's lacrosse teams ?

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[> [> [> Re: Look to NJ/Rick - '64 -- GardenState, 12:28:09 06/25/04 Fri

Delbarton publishes their list: 10-12 kids each year to BC, Georgetown and Villanova. 5-6 to Notre Dame. 10-12 each year to Colgate as well, but not many to other Patriot League schools. Actually, not many to Duke. Lots to NESCAC and Ivies. Only 2-3 per year to Holy Cross. Would appear to be either lack of student interest, or lack of relationship with guidance.

Notice on the Holy Cross roster that there are some New Jersey kids, but no kids following behind them from their respective schools. That says something. It would seem that NJ Parochial schools would be logical feeders to HC lacrosse. NJ kids have been contacted by Holy Cross coaches on the basis of summer camps. There has not been consistent follow-up. Part of the problem.

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[> [> [> Re: Look to NJ/Rick - '64 -- hcfAN, 16:23:18 06/25/04 Fri

I can't believe I'm responding to you, but....

1. Delbarton-HC pipleine is very strong in general. Average at least 4/5 kids per class. At least 10 Delbarton lacrosse players at HC over past 7-8 years.
2. NJ HS hockey stinks compared to NE Preps and Canada. Doria and Reinhardt have been the best players in the state and we've gotten them. Probably only 2/3 kids per year at best from NJ public/Catholics that can play at HC, and not all can get in.
3. How do either of you have any idea how much HC coaches follow up in a given year? Just because there aren't always kids the class after from the same school. Weak.

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[> [> [> [> To: hcfAN -- Rick, 18:01:40 06/25/04 Fri

I can't either.

" 1. Delbarton-HC pipleine is very strong in general. Average at least 4/5 kids per class. At least 10 Delbarton lacrosse players at HC over past 7-8 years. "

3 Delbarton students entered HC in 2003.

There's ONE Delbarton kid on the most recent lacrosse roster - and he's a frosh. Where are all these 10 Delbarton players over the past 4 years of your 'past 7-8 years' ?

" 2. NJ HS hockey stinks compared to NE Preps and Canada. Doria and Reinhardt have been the best players in the state and we've gotten them. Probably only 2/3 kids per year at best from NJ public/Catholics that can play at HC, and not all can get in. "

You might wanna do some homework next time around.

Some web searching shows that Debarton and Seton Hall Prep have been consistantly defeating Fairfield Prep, LaSalle (RI), Mt. Saint Charles ( RI ), St. Thomas Aquinas ( NH ), Concord ( NH ), Centennial Regional ( Quebec ) and Xaverian Brothers ( MA ) ON THE ROAD over the past few seasons.

Oh and Rheinhardt from Delbarton and Doria from SHP going direct to HC - that's somewhat unusual. Many of NJ's top hockey kids either skip their senior year or, after graduating, head to one of the PG Prep schools in Connecticut for a year or two to polish their games.

Oh again....the day a kid - any kid - from Delbarton can't get into Holy Cross will be a long time coming.

" 3. How do either of you have any idea how much HC coaches follow up in a given year? Just because there aren't always kids the class after from the same school. Weak. "

Speaking only for myself, I don't....which is why I asked about recruiting.

Delbarton, Seton Hall Prep and CBA have been the dominant hockey programs in New Jersey going on TWENTY + years. They seem to take turns winning the overall state championship every year. The lone consistant challenger to their collective dominance over the years has been Brick HS, a public school.

All annually have players graduating capable of playing regular shifts for HC.

In lacrosse, Delbarton has been ranked either #1 or #2 annually for AT LEAST the past several seasons. As mentioned above, CBA has an excellent program as do Mountain Lakes and Ridgewood - two public schools with highly regarded academic reps.

Does HC recruit these schools ?

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[> [> [> Re: Look to NJ/Rick - '64 -- GardenState, 20:43:44 06/25/04 Fri

Guys, your information is not quite correct. Holy Cross is hard to get into...Delbarton kids do get rejected. Only about 3 a year go. The school has better success with BC and Villanova and as a result more kids apply, and go, to those schools. Part of it is that those schools are bigger. And, Worcester is a consideration.

I question whether there has really been a long string of Delbarton lacrosse players at Holy Cross. The last one before the current freshman quit last fall.

Lacrosse recruiting by Holy Cross has been weak in NJ and everywhere else. There's an earlier post in this string....5 of the 6 leading scorers were not recruits. Recruits sit on the bench behind walk-ons. One or two contributing recruits a year does not make for a great program when your competitors are getting 6-8. There's not much follow-on from schools because kids don't come home at Christmas with great stories about the program.

That's probably part of the reason there's a new coach. This stuff needed to be fixed.

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