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Subject: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Shelly [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 2025, 09:33: am AV and all, I try not to get angry or impatient with sitter but she is at it again. She is required to put the days underwear in the wash basket at bedtime each night and get clean ones put on. Even with the daily Metamucil, after a complete emptying of their colons neither of our three or myself for that matter are able to go for three days. Sometimes on the second day. So Tuesday evening she said she has pooped for the day but there was no underwear from Tuesday in the basket Wednesday morning. And yesterday she rushed past me with an odd look on her face and headed downstairs in a hurry. Suspicious, I followed and stood outside her bathroom and when she came out I said "I want your underwear". She had smeared it. I prepared almost a full bag warm water enema and gave her an enema on the spot. So now we have to have a bowel movement and verified by me every evening at my house. Suppository if none given. I know at her age she has been withholding for so many years that it is just automatic for her. That is her reaction to feeling the initial contractions telling her she needs to get on the toilet and have a bowel movement. There is no thought processes, no thinking 'I need to go poop', just automatic hold response. So frustrating! I was talking to a mom the other day and I don't even know how we got on the topic of withholding but she worked as an aid in elementary school for several years and she said about 60 percent of girls and 70 percent of boys in first and then a little less in second grade will poop themselves three or four times that year from trying to hold it in. And around 5 or 6 out of a hundred will go on to be full on holders that won't let poop out no matter what. She hates her enema clean outs. Says they are so awful but I guess she just can make herself poop when she needs to. [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Maude [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 2025, 01:13: pm Shelly so if she threw her underwear away Tuesday and smeared them at school on Thursday and given that she probably didn't even need to have a bowel movement after her enemas until Tuesday that means that when she got on the toilet last night after school she had five days of food waste from her eating for the week still in her because if she had told you she had a bowel movement Tuesday or Wednesday she likely lied to you. Given that you don't have her there on every other weekend and she clearly is still holding in her stools you need to clean her out before she goes home for a weekend. So if she goes home after school on Friday she needs enemas to clean her out Thursday night, soapsuds then rinses. And you now know you need to see that she has a bowel movement every night she is with you regardless of what she tells you she did at school. This is probably why she ended up in the hospital for a naso-gastric lavage clean out at the boarding school. They were taking her word that she was stooling and then she got badly impacted and they couldn't even get an enema in her to get it to come out. One of my grandsons who is totally against enemas because he hated them growing up has a 10 year old daughter who is a holder. She has been to the hospital three times in two years for those oral clean outs. And just like you said, they are laying there in bed, in diapers because they have the laxative tube up through their nose and an IV in their arm and they often can't feel the liquid coming out of them to ask a nurse to put them on a bed pan in time. That is real trauma, in diapers runny stools constantly coming out of you into your diaper and different shift male and female nurses for a day or two coming and cleaning your bottom up and putting a dry diaper on you! You are doing the best you can Shelly. Daily stooling that you can verify and keep her cleaned out. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 2025, 08:29: pm Shelly, I can relate to the holding. It is an automatic thing. I can remember many times going to the bathroom basically to not get caught holding and sitting on the floor right next to the toilet and breathing, holding, until the cramps stopped then standing up, flushing the toilet like I used the bathroom but really didn’t and then just walked out. I would basically constipate myself until the pain to go was unbearable for a child my age. Then there were times I smeared as well. The enemas forced me to bear the pain until I either helped push it out or I relaxed enough that the soap took over and took control. I hated going to the toilet mainly because of the pain associated with having a bowel movement. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 2025, 09:36: pm Yes, I know she doesn't do it intentionally, thinking it through, 'I'm just going to hold this in until I poop myself'. It is almost as unthinking as breathing for her. I get it. I'm trying to keep her clean at least. But I get little help from her at all. Why would I expect I would, she is a holder through and through. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Friday, December 05, 2025, 11:59: pm Shelly, Honestly Shelly, you’re doing the right thing by keeping her cleaned out and held accountable. I hated enemas growing up as I have shared many times in my personal accounts. But mom was standing on her word though and didn’t back down. I wasn’t helping matters either by holding and not wanting to go but mom forced me to go by giving me enemas which I could not fight or stop the urges. Keep doing what you are doing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 06, 2025, 10:55: am AV, at least she doesn't back talk or sass me or fight her enema time. She hates getting her enema bent over my leg like we do the boys but I have to have good access for a couple of minutes to rotate and move around the deep nozzle to get it past that restriction between the rectum and sigmoid. Once I had that inserted into her rectum I could maybe let her lay down on the floor and we have tried that last year but she also hates looking at her enema bag and seeing how much more she has left to take. So I just like to keep her bent over my leg and let gravity help get it deep into her colon. For those out there who may also like to try the 9 inch cleanstream colon nozzle as you rotate it back and forth clockwise and then counter, have them bear down. I learned that as I was learning how to insert on myself. Bearing down sort of straightens and tightens the rectum and helps to guide the nozzle into the sigmoid. She was hard to get to bear down for me. At first she absolutely would not bear down for me. That is counter intuitive for a holder. But I kept at her and in time I got her to help get it in her by bearing down for me. Getting the huge enemas that we do to dump into the sigmoid and not into the rectum really helps keep so much pressure from building so fast in the rectum. Eventually they feel all that pressure in their rectum but by then they have taken so much of the enema that they don't have to work so hard to keep it in. Again what I learned from my own experience doing my own enemas. Side note, husband sometimes likes to give me an enema. I may not have been planning on doing one and he will surprise me and be in the mood to make me take one. Not a turn on for me like I wish it might be but it is a turn of for him so after my enema we have fun and that works for me. Not rectally but just fun the normal method. Anyway, so Maude and AV you are right. I need to send her home for her weekends having been cleaned out. And I have to get a verified poop from her every afternoon or evening here. Over all she is very happy again boarding here with us. And I know deep down inside she wants me to help keep her healthy and clean. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Joyce [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 06, 2025, 06:22: pm Shelly, I understand you were upset when you insisted sitter show you her underwear Thursday and you found they were soiled. I am concerned that in response you "prepared almost a full bag warm water enema and gave her an enema on the spot." I recall you said your bag holds almost 4 quarts. I hope you didn't make her take all of it at once. That would be a lot more than the recommended maximum for her age and was probably very uncomfortable. I hope that was not a punishment for soiling her panties. May I suggest that you consider changing sitter from your 9 inch cleanstream colon nozzle to a colon tube like I use for my car accident friend? It has several advantages: 1) You only have to insert it once for her clean out rather than inserting and removing the nozzle for each enema. 2) It causes a steady downward flow thru her descending colon, sigmoid, and rectum with less pressure and less discomfort. There is a slight learning curve to inserting it safely, but I can help you with this if you are interested. Best wishes for you and sitter going forward. - Joyce [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Saturday, December 06, 2025, 08:23: pm Oh my gosh no Joyce. If I typed 4 litre then that was a wrong punch. Our enema bag holds just under 3 litres unless you fill it to the very very top and then any jiggling and you have splash spilling. Medical journals have indicated a child around 12ish has a colon as large as an adult. If empty, an adult colon can easily hold a gallon of liquid. Sitter for sure has stretched her colon some. How much we don't know. So the 2 1/2 litre enema I made her take was not difficult for her. About a colon tube. I am in love with the nozzle we have now. Sitter and I are very good at working it past the rectum and into the sigmoid pretty quickly. I've done research about colon tubes and am afraid that we could get into a situation where we are poking and bruising the lining of the rectum trying to find the sigmoid. Colon tubes are so small and bendable and can even double back on itself if it starts to poke the rectum wall instead of finding the opening to the colon. As you know there is a bend that any insertion device has to find and negotiate to get into the colon. Also even for myself I find that the pretty large diameter of the nozzle inserted and staying in your anus helps to seal you and help you retain your enema until you are allowed to get on the toilet to empty. I could tell with my boys after using just the tiny rectal nozzle at first on them they struggled with clinching really hard to try to hold the water in. Once I switched to the larger nozzle they clinch a lot less and really take their enemas easily. It's not a big deal to have to insert the nozzle for each enema. It gives them a couple of minutes while we are inserting to calm down and relax and get ready to feel getting filled up. Sitter especially needs that couple of minutes to get herself relaxed and calmed down. She still gets anxious for every enema and has to get her breathing right. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2025, 03:05: am Shelly, sitter may say it or not, but the truth is, she is thankful you are willing to give her an enema and help clean her out. She feels comfortable and safe. As i have posted in my enema journey, I threw fits. I don’t you have posted any of that from sitter, from your boys yes, but not from sitter. She is indeed fighting the urges. I fought them. But you are there holding her accountable for her actions. How are the boys doing? I know they have got to be riding that cow as the cow jumped over the moon having sitter back in their life. Hope sitter is loving it spending time with them. The holidays are coming up so that is going to be a special time. Any updates on sitter’s friend? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Shelly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2025, 07:00: am AV, Sitter's friend is in theatre at school and they are practicing for a Christmas play so she doesn't even bring our young lady here after school and she was not here last enema Sat. either. I have big news to share but it is still developing so I don't know where it is going to go yet. Apparently sitter's friend knows and has even shared some of our young lady's bowel issues with her own mother. Her mom texted me and introduced herself and asked if I was doing colonics or coffee enemas. Her daughter told her about all of us doing enemas here. I was working at the time so I couldn't elaborate but I texted her that no we were doing simple clean out enemas for bowel health. I said we should get together and talk because her daughter asked me if she could have an enema because she gets really constipated and that mom gives her suppositories sometimes. She agreed and we are going to get together after Christmas and talk about enemas for colon maintenance. She said she is scared of giving enemas but her daughter gets really constipated and refuses to take laxatives so she has no choice but to give a suppository to empty her. Yes my boys bug her so much I have to tell them to give her a break and have some time to herself in the evenings. We had to set time limits of how long they can be down there in her room. She dotes over them and seems to love to entertain them. Instead of telling me now when they have pooped they tell her. Works for me! I hope some of their excitement and comfort with daily pooping will rub off on her and make pooping seem normal and natural for her so she loses that fear of pooping. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: Kitten Paw [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2025, 02:26: pm I told you her BFF wants you to give her the enemas too and she is going to work you until she gets them. She wants enemas like her friend that lives with you gets for so many reasons. She has her mom on your case now so that she gets what she wants. She wants to show support for her friend that it doesn't have to be scary to get on the toilet to let it happen. Waste needs to come out and it isn't nasty or dirty. She has constipation issues and is getting suppositories from mom when she gets so bad she can't stand it any longer. And the suppositories aren't getting the stuff that is up inside her that is giving her the stomach aches that got her the suppository so she wants relief and she knows your enemas will give her relief from the stomach ache and bloating feeling. The two of them may be sexual together. My BFF and I are not lesbian. She has a boyfriend that she is sexual with and I have a new boyfriend but we aren't sexual. But BFF and I like to have panty times where we just get silly stripped down to our underwear and goof around watching youtube or movies and it does get to having fun with her vibrator and even shaving each other. That is sexual but we aren't in love with each other we just like to play sexual stuff with each other. That's why she was so curious about my enemas and wanted to get mom to make her have the enemas too. It's just girls being girls in our generation and exploring. Teens now have access to so much on Youtube about colonics and coffee enemas and enemas for constipation or for anal sex prep. We are curious about the relationship of enemas and sexual arousal. I masturbate thinking about the next enema I'm going to get. She masturbates fantasizing having to bend over your leg for an enema clean out. You want it. She wants it. She is going to get it. I told you!! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Re: Caught smearing her underwear again Author: AV [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: Monday, December 08, 2025, 06:39: pm Shelly, i can’t disagree with Kitten Paw, she has been correct all along. I do expect you to be given sitter’s friend an enema soon enough. You’re helping everyone in the long run with their colon health. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]