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Date Posted: 07:25:41 10/12/05 Wed
Author: Reverend Nathaniel P. Robbins
Subject: 
Beware of the mormonist cult
I could go on and on about their fairy tail beliefs (many of which, few members even know about, it is so embarrassing to the church!)...
Moronism teaches that God was once a man, and that man may become a God (through moronism, of course). Mormons are taught that God the Father is now on a planet near the star Kolob with his wives having spiritual children. They believe that Jesus and Lucifer (Satan) were once spirit brothers, had a big ol' war in Heaven and the only reason we worship Jesus is because he won. Interestingly enough, the spirit beings that did not fight valiantly for God come to earth as blacks, while those who fought valiantly come to earth as whites. Until very recently, blacks could not be priests because they were of course "spiritualy inferior".
They also once taught that Mary was not a virgin and had sex with Joseph, while Jesus was a polygamist and was married to Mary Magdelene, Martha and the other Mary.
And did you know all of those pastey, blue-eyed natives of Utah are actually native americans? Yup, it's true. According to mormon doctrine, some Israelites departed from the Middle East about 600 BCE, before the time of the Babylonian captivity and arrived in America. A patriarch Lehi had two sons: Nephi (from whom the Nephites descended) and Laman (from whom the Lamanites descended). The two tribes lived in a state of continuous feuding and warfare. Eventually, the Lamanites exterminated all of the Nephites circa 385 CE, and became the ancestors of present day Native Americans. God gave to Native Americans their "red skins" in order to visually separate them from those who continued to follow God's commandments and teachings. Why our mormon friends do not still have red skin is a bit of a mystery.
Jesus even came to America after his resurrection where he performed miracles, delivered a sermon similar to the Beatitudes and selected twelve disciples from the Nephite tribe.
And none of this would have been known to those clueless scientists and historians if it had not been for Joseph Smith, who came up with these revelations with the help of magical "seer stones" which he found with a diving rod. At the age of 14 Smith received a visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ who both told him all churches are wrong, their creeds are an abomination and the professors of those creeds are corrupt.
Despite the church's best attempts, absolutely nothing has EVER been dug up to support Joseph Smith's claims... it's as if he DREAMED them up! Imagine that!
In fact, the one piece we do have which Joseph Smith used was rediscovered in 1967 -- The original papyri, allegedly written by the hand of the Old Testament Prophet Abraham, and used by Joseph Smith to translate the Mormon scripture Book of Abraham. Unfortunately, it has since been shown to be an Egyptian funeral text, called a "Book of Breathings" written some 1500 years after Abraham's day!
Even the mormons admit Joseph Smith was a little hard to swallow, but they support him 100% as a prophet!
The Mormon publication, "The Doctrine of Salvation, V.1." on page 188 states that "Mormonism so-called stands or falls on the history of Joseph Smith. For either he was a prophet, with divine calling, name and empowerment, or he was one of the greatest charlatans the world has ever known".
If Joseph Smith was a true prophet from God, then his prophecies should have come to pass. However, there are plenty of cases where they did not. For example, Joseph Smith claimed that before 1891, and before he reached the age of 85, Jesus Christ would return. Well, Joseph Smith did not reach the age of 85 - he was murdered on the 27th of July 1844. And we know that Jesus Christ didn't return before 1891, bringing an end to the present world order.
Smith prophesied in 1832 concerning the American civil war that the British would get involved and the war would extend to all nations. Smith also predicted the demise of the government of the state of Missouri which had displeased him - still waiting for that, too.
Well, I could go on for a much longer time.... but I do not want to further embarrass our mormon friends here!
Praise!
Nathaniel P. Robbins
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- Mindi Roberts, 10:33:31 04/29/06 Sat
I would really like to know where you are getting your information from. You say that there is a lot of information that we, as members do not know, but there in fact is sooooo much more that you do not know. You claim to be a Christian, but isn't a true Christian supposed to love everyone no matter what their race, nationality, religion, or sex? At least that is what I has brought up to believe.
I know there is probably nothing I can say or do to change your mind but there is someone who will read this that will truly listen to what I have to say and then want to go and read for themselves to determine whether or not what you claim is true.
I know it is very easy to bash the LDS religion, but it is even easier for me to stick up for it. I love this church and know that what I am taught is truth. I have read and studied and prayed about mine as well as other religions. Maybe you should do the same.
I am sorry you have to attack another religion to make you feel good about yours.
Before you go teaching false doctorines, why don't you go and find the true ones.
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- jiber, 11:04:02 04/29/06 Sat
What amazes me about people is that they don't check their facts. The "reverand" has no basis in fact. There are no references or links. I have read about Joseph Smith, studied his life and teachings. Not once did he say or do ANYTHING to hurt another human being. Not once did he belittle or destroy anothers spirit or reputation. He lived his life. And, what a life, too.
If Joseph Smith wanted fame, fortune, the chance to raise a family without being tarred, feathered, beaten, falsely imprisoned, forced from his home, and finally murdered for his innocent beliefs then he would have turned AWAY from the Lord. As it was, he gave up all he was to serve the Lord. None of his teachings say to hurt another, judge them, or rip on their beliefs.
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I know that God loves me and that this church is true. I know that Joseph Smith was a great man who loved all those around him. i know these things to be true because I have studied them. I have STUDIED the Book of Mormon, New and Old Testaments, as well as other reliogious literature. I have read the words of his enemies as well as the words of his friends and family.
I am saddened by the anger and hatred in the voice of the reverand. It is that kind of ignorance that destroys people.
So much energy has gone into hating others. I was raised to love those around me, be willing to forgive the errors of humans and to NOT JUDGE UNRIGHTEOUSLY. I am blessed to have been raised without anger, hate and guile. I pray for the poor reverand and hope he finds truth in his life.
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- deano formaro demon fighter, 08:47:13 08/18/06 Fri
>you sir said ,,> , studied his life and teachings. Not
>once did he say or do ANYTHING to hurt another human
>being. Not once did he belittle or destroy another's..............oh really?? you should of read how he died killing two people with a gun smuggled to him in jail so we see you really never took time to know the truth . no man of god ever killed in such a fashion in the new testament joe is a deceiver plain and simple he copied parts of the king James version and said it was an angel what a liar and we know were he is today . but what im worried about is were are you going to spend eternity??? with out the precious blood of Jesus!
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- Mormon 210, 10:43:16 08/21/06 Mon
You said regarding Joseph Smith:...oh really?? you should of read how he died killing two people with a gun smuggled to him in jail so we see you really never took time to know the truth . no man of god ever killed in such a fashion in the new testament joe is a deceiver plain and simple he copied parts of the king James version and said it was an angel what a liar and we know were he is today . but what im worried about is were are you going to spend eternity??? with out the precious
blood of Jesus!
I also read recently that a mom was abducted by aliens and she will now bare an alien/human child that will look a lot like John Kerry.
Also, so what. Let's assume that he was smuggled a gun. 250 to 6 odds seems a little like overkill the gun wasn't even an equalizer he would have needed a Tommy Gun. This mob was trying to protect the very religion you claim to follow. Joseph was housed in a jail, and a mob attacked him. Does he have the right to defend himself?
The lameness of your statement that no man of God ever killed like that in the New Testament is akin to saying I only murder and rape before 7 am and after 10 pm. Prophets are Prophets are Prophets. Severl examples come to mind. Also, see the numerous examples in the Old Testament. ONe such example is when Samuel the Prophet tells Saul to kill every living thing in the Amalekite village (Saul subsequently does not kill the sheep and offers them as a sacrafice to Samuel who reproves Saul for his disobedience). There are others but I pointed this one out specifically, because Saul was supposed to kill all living things, including women, children and beasts. Joseph simply shot at people who were mobbing him (self defense).
So this foundation of evidence against the Prophet Joseph Smith is both unfounded and baseless which makes your argument extremely weak.
Mormon 210
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- MyLadyBanshee, 20:49:52 04/29/06 Sat
This seem a bit redundant, since is is exactly the same thing you posted a few months ago...so here again, is my same reply;
Rev. Robbins; Moronism teaches that God was once a man, and that man may become a God (through moronism, of course). Mormons are taught that God the Father is now on a planet near the star Kolob with his wives having spiritual
children...
Banshee: It's pretty clear that you've been watching a little too much "God Makers".I saw that too when I studied Mormonism. If you are going to state "facts" make sure you know the source...those gems of information (God Makers, Temple of the God Makers, God makers II, SaintsAlive.com , etc) were created mainly by Ed Decker. He was excommunicated from the Mormon Church (for adultery it is said). Why would you trust such a source??His "documentaries" were ridiculous! Full of half truths and twisting of words and lots of editing!! Even other Anti-Mormon Critics, such as the Tanners, publicly reprehended him for many of the statements and claims he has made. Check your facts!
Rev. Robbins; They also once taught that Mary was not a virgin , while Jesus was a polygamist and was married to Mary Magdelene, Martha and the other Mary.
Banshee: This is once again Ed Decker spew…there are no such things taught in the Mormon faith in regards to Mary’s virginity and the idea that Christ was married to Mary Magdalene is something that is speculated by many scholars (not just LDS) and some LDS but not taught as doctrine. The idea that Christ was married is one subject I am well prepared to debate with you should you wish to discuss it more!! ;-)
In fact, since you last posted this same thought, we began a discussion on this! See "Was Christ Married" a few threads down!
Rev. Robbins; And did you know all of those pastey, blue-eyed natives of Utah are actually native americans? Yup, it's true. ...(edited Rev. Robbins'recounting of Book of Mormon accounts) God gave to Native Americans their "red skins" in order to visually separate them from those who continued to follow God's commandments and teachings. Why our mormon friends do not still have red skin is a bit of a mystery.
Banshee: What are you talking about?? Do you even know? What is your source for this? Mormons don't claim to be decendants of Lamanites(or Nephites) unless they are Native Americans and even at that...Some Native American Mormons won't make that claim. It is too presumptuous to assume that no other migrations to the New World could have occured outside of the Book Of Mormon accounts.
Accounts of three major migrations from the Old World to the New World are provided in the Book of Mormon. Most of the text consists of records maintained by the Nephite people, which descended from a group that left Jerusalem in 600 B.C. That group, consisting of the family of Lehi and others, split into two rival groups which became known as the Nephites (descended from Nephi) and the Lamanites (descended from Laman, eldest son of Lehi).
Another account tells of the Jeredites, who migrated to America after the division of languages at the Tower of Babel. This civilization was extinct at the time it was recounted in the Book of Mormon.
Another migration to the New World occurred around 588 B.C. when some survivors of the Babylonian invasion of Jerusalem (including Mulek, of royal blood) fled to the New World. The Mulekites had been on their own for several generations
when the Nephites joined forces with them.
Rev. Robbins; Jesus even came to America after his resurrection ...
Banshee: Many Native American Tribes (South and North America) have legends of being visited by a “white God” so what is so unbelievable about the possibility that Christ visited other people after His resurrection?
Rev. Robbins; At the age of 14 Smith received a visit from God the Father and Jesus Christ who both told him all churches are wrong, their creeds are an abomination and the professors of those creeds are corrupt.
Banshee: I believe the actual recounting is;
“I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” JSH 1:19
I think your argument or the one you think you make is really weak… This (JSH 1:19) sounds to me like exactly what God would say if He wanted to re-establish His Church on earth.
Rev. Robbins; Despite the church's best attempts, absolutely nothing has EVER been dug up to support Joseph Smith's claims...
Banshee: Really? How up to date is your news/research?? Assuming of course you’ve made research and aren’t just spewing outdated statements by other anti-Mormon critics…
The plates of Darius, dated to approximately 600 BC, were discovered in 1938. This is a royal proclamation of the liberation of the Jews made by ‘Darius the Median’ put on plates of pure gold and silver and buried in a stone box. Other finds include A gold-leaf book dated at about 500 AD, found at Hmawza (Old Prome) in 1926; “two shallow, neatly made stone boxes with [sealed] lids, each containing two square plates of gold and silver...’” discovered in 1933; aa bronze plaque containing laws was discovered in 1860 near Styria, Greece, dated to the 6th Century BC.
Rev. Robbins; In fact, the one piece we do have which Joseph Smith used was rediscovered in 1967 -- The original papyri, allegedly written by the hand of the Old Testament Prophet Abraham, and used by Joseph Smith to translate the
Mormon scripture Book of Abraham. Unfortunately, it has since been shown to be an Egyptian funeral text, called a "Book of Breathings" written some 1500 years
after Abraham's day!
Banshee: This is an old debate used by many anti-Mormons. There were many papyrus owned by Joseph Smith and this has been recounted by many eye witnesses.
“Jay Todd describes what happened to the papyri after Joseph's death
("Papyri, Joseph Smith," Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol.3):
"After Joseph Smith's death, the Egyptian artifacts were held principally by his mother, and then by Emma Smith after Lucy's death on May 14, 1856. On May 25, 1856, Emma sold four Egyptian mummies with the records with them to Mr. Abel Combs (Improvement Era,Jan. 1968, pp. 12-16). (Pioneers brought one fragment west.) Combs then sold two mummies with some papyri, which were sent to the St.Louis Museum (1856); they ended up in the Chicago Museum (1863), where they apparently burned in 1871. The fate of Combs's two other mummies and papyri is unknown, but some papyri remained, for in 1918 Mrs. Alice Heusser of Brooklyn, a daughter of Combs's housekeeper, approached the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art (MMA) with papyri once owned by Joseph Smith. In 1947 MMA acquired papyri from her widower. In May 1966 Aziz S. Atiya of the University of Utah saw eleven Heusser fragments at MMA. He informed Church leaders, and on November 27, 1967, the Church acquired the fragments; one of them is Facsimile No. 1." ,
The fragments you are referring to are obviously not the ones translated as the Book of Abraham, which is the logical deduction one would come to if they observed all of the facts/accounts without an obvious “anti-mormon” agenda.
Rev. Robbins; Even the mormons admit Joseph Smith was a little hard to swallow, but they support him 100% as a prophet!
Banshee:Which Mormons would that be??
Rev. Robbins; The Mormon publication, "The Doctrine of Salvation, V.1." on page 188 states that "Mormonism so-called stands or falls on the history of Joseph Smith. For either he was a prophet, with divine calling, name and
empowerment, or he was one of the greatest charlatans the world has ever known."
Banshee: Your point? Are you trying to convinced us to join the LDS Church??
Rev. Robbins; Joseph Smith claimed that before 1891, and before he reached the age of 85, Jesus Christ would return. Well, Joseph Smith did not reach the age of 85 ...
Banshee: Where does it say that Joseph declared “I prophesy that the world will end before 1891!!”Curiously enough, the “prophesy” you are referring to was never a prophesy. And you can only (as far as I am aware) read of this “prophesy” from the journals of men who recorded this as third parties since they were too young to attend or understand the actual sermon given by Joseph Smith.
Rev. Robbins; Simith prophesied in 1832 concerning the American civil war that the British would get involved and the war would extend to all nations.
Banshee: I don’t know much about this particular prophecy but did find this link;
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_prophecies.shtml#war
This man is LDS and makes excellent points.
Rev. Robbins; Well, I could go on for a much longer time.... but I do not want to further embarrass our mormon friends here!
Banshee: Right…yeah, OK… Well, I’m sure you’ve just gotten lots of those Mormons shaking in their boots!!LOL
You know, as a Christian (if you do claim to be one), having a personal relationship to Christ is the most important thing. I worry about your flock, if you are indeed a reverend. What kind of Christ-like qualities do you think you are teaching? You are certainly breeding intolerance and ignorance. Most of your statements are outdated and un-researched, moronic if you will...lol It really is pathetic. All you are doing is attacking and spreading lies... I have many Mormon (or LDS as they often prefer) friends and though I am sometimes uncomfortable with some of their teachings, the doctrines or foundation for their beliefs or practices are always solid.
Cheers!
Banshee
Much information was gathered from JeffLindsey.com & FARMSResearch.com
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- Kolob lol, 09:10:48 05/01/06 Mon
Kolob
lol
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- Mormon 210, 08:40:06 05/02/06 Tue
Rev-
I need to clarify a few issues here. I am "Mormon" and I do not have a hard time swallowing the notion that Joseph Smith saw God and Christ and was subsequently called to reorganize Christ's Church and become the first prophet. Additionally, I know of no LDS person who lives the commandments that has a problem with this.
Secondly, Kolob is not a star but a planet. It is a planet such as this one but in a perfected state.
Third, LDS doctrine considers life to be eternal and once we finish this earth we believe in eternal growth and eternal creation. We believe that we chose, as spirits, to come to earth to receive bodies, partake in an experience outside the direct influence of our creator, whereby we can make choices and be tested (faith and works). Christ came to earth and was perfect in His choices then offered Himself as a ransom to our sins.
So we believe we existed before this earth and by our time here on the earth we establish our eternal progression. If I choose to squander this temporal earthly state indulging in the pleasures of the natural man, then my eternal progression (time after this life) will be based on where my lifes focus was.
We had purpose, we made choices prior to this earth. This "War in Heaven" you bash makes perfect sense to me. It proves Gods desire for us to have "agency". Some chose to follow the plan He formed (come to earth and be given the choice to follow) then we would be given a Savior (our eldest Brother - the Son of God) to overcome the sin that we would commit if we would have faith and endure in that faith. This choice was opposed by Satan - a brother of ours as well as a brother to Christ and a son of God - who elicited the dictum that we should be compelled to obey thus making sure that all of God's children would return to Him.
Two thirds of the spirit children of God wanted to follow God's plan. Some were strongly in favor of it, some were less valiant in that cause.
One third of our spirit brothers and sisters supported Satan dictum. Those spirit children were so opposed to the plan of God that they fought against God and were removed eternally from His presence. They became the Devil and his angels. They work against God, they want us to fail so that we can experience the pains they do and so that they can foil the plan God created. So that war you mimick continues. Today Satan and his angels desire to foil the plan of God. Some of us fall to it.
Given this belief set, I find it real simple to accept the notion that at one time our Eternal God, came to a planet much like Earth, as a Savior, and lived perfectly, then provided himself as a ransom available to all who believe that would help them overcome their sin. It is said that no unclean thing can enter the kingdom of God. So we are cleansed in the atoning blood of a Savior. Ours was born on this earth, in Bethlehem and died on Calvary.
I agree with Banshee. If you want answers broaden your perspective. In a sense you tend to ask Al Qaeda what the truth is about America. Find more respectable sources.
Mormon 210
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- * Name (required):, 12:45:27 05/08/06 Mon
>Rev-
>I need to clarify a few issues here. I am "Mormon" and
>I do not have a hard time swallowing the notion that
>Joseph Smith saw God and Christ and was subsequently
>called to reorganize Christ's Church and become the
>first prophet. Additionally, I know of no LDS person
>who lives the commandments that has a problem with
>this.
>
>Secondly, Kolob is not a star but a planet. It is a
>planet such as this one but in a perfected state.
>
>Third, LDS doctrine considers life to be eternal and
>once we finish this earth we believe in eternal growth
>and eternal creation. We believe that we chose, as
>spirits, to come to earth to receive bodies, partake
>in an experience outside the direct influence of our
>creator, whereby we can make choices and be tested
>(faith and works). Christ came to earth and was
>perfect in His choices then offered Himself as a
>ransom to our sins.
>
>So we believe we existed before this earth and by our
>time here on the earth we establish our eternal
>progression. If I choose to squander this temporal
>earthly state indulging in the pleasures of the
>natural man, then my eternal progression (time after
>this life) will be based on where my lifes focus was.
>
>We had purpose, we made choices prior to this earth.
>This "War in Heaven" you bash makes perfect sense to
>me. It proves Gods desire for us to have "agency".
>Some chose to follow the plan He formed (come to earth
>and be given the choice to follow) then we would be
>given a Savior (our eldest Brother - the Son of God)
>to overcome the sin that we would commit if we would
>have faith and endure in that faith. This choice was
>opposed by Satan - a brother of ours as well as a
>brother to Christ and a son of God - who elicited the
>dictum that we should be compelled to obey thus making
>sure that all of God's children would return to Him.
>
>Two thirds of the spirit children of God wanted to
>follow God's plan. Some were strongly in favor of it,
>some were less valiant in that cause.
>
>One third of our spirit brothers and sisters supported
>Satan dictum. Those spirit children were so opposed to
>the plan of God that they fought against God and were
>removed eternally from His presence. They became the
>Devil and his angels. They work against God, they want
>us to fail so that we can experience the pains they do
>and so that they can foil the plan God created. So
>that war you mimick continues. Today Satan and his
>angels desire to foil the plan of God. Some of us fall
>to it.
>
>Given this belief set, I find it real simple to accept
>the notion that at one time our Eternal God, came to a
>planet much like Earth, as a Savior, and lived
>perfectly, then provided himself as a ransom available
>to all who believe that would help them overcome their
>sin. It is said that no unclean thing can enter the
>kingdom of God. So we are cleansed in the atoning
>blood of a Savior. Ours was born on this earth, in
>Bethlehem and died on Calvary.
>
>I agree with Banshee. If you want answers broaden your
>perspective. In a sense you tend to ask Al Qaeda what
>the truth is about America. Find more respectable
>sources.
>
>Mormon 210
Satan has infected the truth with so many lies that you can not tell light from dark any longer. He simply deludes normally well respecting, quality individuals into believing false doctrine (Mormonism) by weaving lies into truth. "Do good works" ... "do not indulge in earthly pleasures"... yes... these things are held fast by all Christians... But magic pajamas and Kolob? I don't think so.
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- Mormon 210, 11:39:54 05/15/06 Mon
To Unknown-
You replied this way to my explanation of what I consider truths:
>Satan has infected the truth with so many lies that
>you can not tell light from dark any longer. He
>simply deludes normally well respecting, quality
>individuals into believing false doctrine (Mormonism)
>by weaving lies into truth. "Do good works" ... "do
>not indulge in earthly pleasures"... yes... these
>things are held fast by all Christians... But magic
>pajamas and Kolob? I don't think so.
I am not sure of the pajama reference my guess is that you are referring to under garments worn by temple endowed members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But that is neither here nor there.
What is your basis for denying these tenets that I claim as truth?
Secondly, the basis of my spiritual faith is not physically validated. I do have some physical evidence that in totality explains to me the existence of God, or in other words the substance of the creation provides to me evidence of a purpose for me and thus the need for a creator. I have accepted the notion that I lived before this earth, so did the rest of us. What is the basis of your faith of the creation?
Mormon 210
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- * Name (required):, 09:28:28 07/05/06 Wed
I asked my spirit friend and he confirmed my faith!
AMEN!
I urge you all to pray to my spirit friend "Nick".
If you pray with open and honest heart, "Nick" will reveal the path of truth to you!
AMEN!
Nick and his followers lived on Easter Island about 2000 years ago as revealed to me in a vision one day.
Although there is absolutely no archeological evidence to support the fact that Nick lived there with his flock, it does not matter one bit. I am sure that everything Nick has told me is 100% truth since I prayed to Nick and he confirmed it.
Also, Nick said that white people are only white because God cursed them for drinking coffee. This way their yellow coffee teeth would show up better and reveal them for the devils they are. (on a related note he also cursed them with coffee breath!!! ewww!)
But about 50 years ago, under immense political pressure (and pressure from the Coffee Drinkers of America) the leaders of the church of Nick (me) decided it was really not what Nick had inteneded and that White people are actually just cracker eaters and it was all a big mistake.
GOD BLESS NICK!
If you doubt this story, then ask Nick for revelation!
If he does not reveal truth to you, then you must not have prayed with open mind and heart!
GO NICK!
sheesh...
On a realated note, why is it that so many of the young Mormons i meet have a less than basic education?
Is it because Mormons target the uneducated to join their ranks? Knowing that they are desparate in most cases and eager to accept anything people tell them? Knowing that these poor people have no education and background of world history makes them easy candidates for the cult of Mormonism. Then the Mormons further repress them by not allowing them to question or think freely about other religioins, or life in general. It's kind of like communism under the guise of religion. But hey, at least you are not "Radical Muslims"!
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Re: Beware of the mormonist cult -- Mormon 210, 11:53:38 07/06/06 Thu
Regarding Church of Nick: OK. The Bible...which is accepted by most Christians as a book of scripture, states that by their fruits ye shall know them (meaning true followers of Jesus Christ). So which fruit indicates that we are not followers of Jesus Christ (speaking of the one in the Bible).
>On a realated note, why is it that so many of the
>young Mormons i meet have a less than basic education?
Because you live in Appalachia and that is typical of the population.
>Is it because Mormons target the uneducated to join
>their ranks? Knowing that they are desparate in most
>cases and eager to accept anything people tell them?
>Knowing that these poor people have no education and
>background of world history makes them easy candidates
>for the cult of Mormonism. Then the Mormons further
>repress them by not allowing them to question or think
>freely about other religioins, or life in general.
My experience has been nothing like you describe. As a missionary I taught a range of people at all levels of education. My experience when joining the Church of Jesus Christ was from an educated background a product of a German Jewish mom and Scottish/German/Irish Catholic
business owner father. My parents seperated and my father never joined the Church of Jesus Christ - he's still an alcoholic - and my mother did join wherein she enjoys the fruits of her conversion.
As for repression: I actually feel liberated as a member of the Church. Because as a young Catholic, I was not given answers I was simply told that's the way it is. In the Church of Jesus Christ, I can study it out, ask other members, non-members and discuss it with my Father in Heaven to seek His counsel. In the end, I have a host of ideas some of which reconcile my understanding of the things, some of which have not been answered. I also have performed necessary ordinances that I personally have felt was required in order to show my conviction to Jesus Christ. I accept Him as my personal Savior and I share that with others so that they can determine for themselves if it fits their goals in terms of eternal progression.
>It's kind of like communism under the guise of
>religion. But hey, at least you are not "Radical
>Muslims"!
That of course bears no relevenace to our discussion. One would have to accept that communism (which is a form of government - not a social structure) limits personal freedoms in way that is not consistent with a set of objectives defined by an individual. Wherein the application of Communism in most forms was dictative, it does not mean the intent was such.
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Are you really a Mormon? -- Capital Rendition, 14:17:48 03/20/09 Fri
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