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Date Posted: 21:51:18 04/18/02 Thu
Author: Oliver
Author Host/IP: ACB93FE0.ipt.aol.com / 172.185.63.224
Subject: Re: Digital Output in HM-DR10000?????
In reply to: Oriol 's message, "Re: Digital Output in HM-DR10000?????" on 19:10:56 04/17/02 Wed

Hi Oriol,

>When I bought the VCR, in the datasheet I saw '1x
>DV(in) + 1x MPEG2 (in/out)' connectors. So in theory
>it was capable to input or output MPEG2 streams, apart
>from input DV (not output DV).

Obviously the sheet of the Japanese version.


>The salesman told me it
>was true (there is no datasheet of 10000EU). When i

Of course there is. =:-o

And: Never trust a salesman. =;->


>>>D-VHS is not for editing videos - DV is.
>>>Because of the film & tv industry.
>I'm very dissapointed that a DIGITAL video can't be
>used for video editing with a PC.

So am I. Thanks to the film industry, who are blocking it (and the US government with it's stupid DCMA).


>For me is very
>important to have backup copies. (I understand that I
>can't copy commercial tapes such as movies).

Although this is absolutly legal (for private purposes).


>Yes, for me it is the wrong device. For me is more
>useful my 2 S-VHS videos, that allow me to edit and
>COPY my own videos.

But: Even without digital interface, the quality of D-VHS is superior to the best S-VHS.

Anyway: The Panasonic D-VHS with MPEG-in/out was taken out of the market, because of the pressure of the film industry. The newer machines have MPEG-in/out again, because these interfaces have better copy protection than the older ones.


>Digital 5.1??? Newest D-VHS perhaps, mine doesn't.

No, even the oldest can record 5.1. And yes, your one can't!
No digital recorder, D-VHS/DVD/HD/..., can record 5.1 from analog sources. They can record 5.1, if it is embedded in a DVB stream (from tv). But for doing that, the recorder has to have a MPEG-in. The oldest D-VHS recorders are just a sort of "backup storage" for digital tv. Very cheap, because they don't need an expensive (at that time *very* expensive) MPEG encoder. Of course they can't record from analog resources (they do it in VHS).

The HM-DR10000 type recorder was a new generation: Combining losless records from digital tv (MPEG-in) with the capability of encoding analog tv (built in encoder). Then the problems with the film industry came up - the US and EU versions became crippled.

In addition: Digital tv is widely common in US an Japan, but not so often used in Europe (and in Germany, it was strictly *forbidden* to use such a type MPEG-in recorder - not because of the recordings, it was just one type of receiver allowed to be used in the German tv cable net =:-o).


>So
>DVHS standard changes in time, and force users to buy
>new devices??!! Arrrggggg that is shameful.

That's evolution. Fast, but evolution. A little bit comparable to VHS mono to VHS hifi or VHS to S-VHS or SP to LP to EP or S-VHS to S-VHS ET ...

... OK, keeping the film industry in mind, it's not exactly what Darwin was about. >;-(

But a recorder like the new (NTSC only) HM-DH30000 was not possible at the time of the first D-VHS recorders - or not affordable. And Data-VHS is more flexible than VHS. Even the newest recorders do not match every possiblity defined in the D-VHS standard.

I think: "If I need it, I buy it". If I would think: "Tomorrow it will be less expensive and/or has more functions, so I'll buy it tomorrow", than I would never buy anything with a processor. Probably I would have benn stucked with my first computer, an 8 bit Atari XL, until the end of my days ... ;-)


Regards, Oliver

German D-VHS FAQ: http://D-VHS.vampirehost.de

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