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Subject: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 09:43:11 12/31/09 Thu As Christian's we often give the devil more credit than he's due for what happens to us in this life. Flip Wilson had a drag character, Geraldine I believe her name was, who coined what became a houshold phrase back in the 1960's, 'the devil made me do it." The devil can't MAKE US do anything that we don't want to do already! I heard of a trail called the "devil's dishpan" that made me think of this today. wow, what an oxymoron! Man and the world looks at our outward appearance, but God looks at our hearts. We can clean up good on the outside, even go to church and say our prayers, but then still play with the devil and think everything's gonna be ok...NOT!!! God knows everything about us...and he knows how to help us, as Christians, to fight against the wiles of the devil. Why does He do this? Because the devil too knows our weaknesses and when we get 'down and dirty' with him, we reveal our true nature and this is where we lose it...As believers, we need to take a stand against the devil and his subtle tricks, if we're gonna come out on top in this life and make it to the promisedland in the next! Take a stand for righteousness TODAY...don't let the devil think that you can take a quick bath in his 'dishpan' and get away with anything. God is all seeing and all knowing! Get right with God, while it is still called TODAY! T.O. 12/31/09 [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:12:26 12/31/09 Thu The Devils Dish Pan trail takes a hard Left about 100 yards up the Nebraska notch hiking trail. This trail is accessed from the parking lot at the end of the Stevensville road in Underhill. The DDP is a ski trail really but it sees its share of snow shoes in winter. It climbs up to the low point in the ridge just north of the Mt Dewey summit. The Dish Pan is a valley like area below the notch which sees tremendous winds often leaving a lot of deep drifts. An area which because of its proximity to the low notch just gets windy. No evil forces at work, no penalty to be paid. On the east side of the notch is another area called the Devils something or other. Its just a boulder strewn valley. House sized rocks all over the place. We often take the Dish Pan to the Bruce trail and end up on top of the Stowe Quad lift. We have a coffee and then reverse the route. Far from the darkness the names suggest this route is probably one of the finest back country ski routes in all of Vermont. Its where I find peace and understand all things. No need to look anywhere else. No magic, no mumbo jumbo, just a hill, trees, snow and some skis! That's all you need. Tim you should go with us, we will convert you. Its like Heroin. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:01:45 01/07/10 Thu Tim It takes a minute to post. I will dominate this forum too. Only because you have that Lazyness gene. You couldn't keep up with me if you tried. What the hell do you do all day anyway? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:31:34 01/08/10 Fri I'm in search of rest for my soul. I believe it is what every person alive wants, but many are not even aware that it can be found and experienced every day. It has become for me the only thing that is really important in life. Real rest doesn't mean that I don't do anything physical. It means that I seek first things first. The Bible says in Matthew 6:33, "Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness and all these things will be added to you." In a sense, extreme skiing is a form of seeking after God. All of life then is a quest, from birth to death. A quest for the ultimate relationship. It can start to come through art, music, earthly relationships, but these are all means to an end. In searching for the ultimate relationship with God, I believe that it is possible for those who persevere to find that even the most mundane of tasks can bring with it the kind of inexpressible joy and excitement that for most of us can only be found when we are on vacation in some foreign land or during some tremendous mountaintop experience. For many, the ultimate experience of life is sexual, drug induced, or soulish. Real intimacy with God is the ultimate experience and when you have had it, no other earthly experience can compare. It is, as you describe your mountain rides, where you find peace; no need to look anywhere else. Your experience in the woods; the call of the wild, the call to adventure and the ultimate thrill is in a sense the call of God. But it is not attainable in the physical realm; these experiences we have are only glimpses into the divine. The physical world that we live in is only a reflection of what's to come; the waiting room for the real thing. Jesus said: "Come to Me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and YOU WILL FIND rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." - Matt 11:28-30 That you and possibly others have the time and the desire to visit my forum is a testament of how God is always reaching out in love to those who sincerely search for Him. Deuteronomy 4:29 says, "All who seek God will find Him IF they seek Him with all of their heart and with all of their soul." [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:34:15 01/08/10 Fri Tim it could be the other way around you know. It could be that we have something we really believe in. It could be that we see something you don't. "no other earthly experience can compare" This statement is a what I am talking about. You condemn all other earthly experience including ones you don't even know about. Its whats wrong with limiting your view. You are so sure you got it in the bag you will not even take a look at anything else. Nobody says you can't ski and believe in god. We are just saying you should not only believe in god. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:43:40 01/10/10 Sun We? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:11:28 01/10/10 Sun The Devils Army Tim. Just look for the ski racks or Bike racks. Its easy to ID us we are everywhere. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:40:58 01/10/10 Sun the devil's army...this is another oxymoron! first of all, the devil is the big loser...if you are really on his side, hello! YOU LOSE! Second of all, I've heard you say you don't even believe in God or the devil, so why would you be fighting for or against something that you don't even believe in? Thirdly, you might be surprised how many believers there are out there with racks on their cars, who ski and ride bikes and I don't mean believers who worship the created over the Creator. I mean, genuine, born again, spirit filled, believers in Jesus, who happen to enjoy riding or skiing. Lastly, this forum and my correspondence with you is not about you or about what you believe or don't believe...It is about helping those who pass through cyber space and want answers to the meaning of life from the Source of ALL Life, the WORD of GOD...You might be surprised how much your comments help me and those who are sincerely searching for God in His Word to confirm what WE already know in our hearts and what we believe about who is really in charge of the universe. You think you are toying with me with your responses? Those who have no reverence for God and the things of God with the words they convey, only expose their own foolishness. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Hey Zeus [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:25:24 01/12/10 Tue Tim I am not fighting. I just enjoy each day. I post that stuff to challenge you to defend yourself. The thought is you will think. There is no devil and there is no God. You can prove it with Math. Read Richard! So why don't you come ski and ride bikes with us? I thought there was some rule or something. You will definitely laugh. Really Tim take some time and go skiing with us. BC is so much fun. I have extra gear. Perhaps this weekend a moose hunt? One of these days I am going to find a drop. I will get one before DP gets a deer. We have a band in a box like Jon. Its pretty cool but I suck at playing into it. Casey rips it up. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:05:25 01/13/10 Wed I'll make a deal with you, my good friend... you come to one of my friday night meetings, ride in the van, pick up the people, sing and clap your hands, stop for a milkshake on the way home and I'll go on a back-country ski expedition with you! true freedom starts with a willingness to get out of the box that you've lived in your whole life. I'm not saying that you will get anything out of it, but you will meet some amazing people and be exposed to something that may help you when you can't leap tall buildings in a single bound. it IS one of my priorities to come visit you on fat mtn. and thanks for visiting my forum and speaking from your heart! I respect and appreciate you! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:51:13 01/13/10 Wed Tell me where and I will show up. I lost my job today so I got lots of free time. I will hold you to the BC ski thing. We just skied Tear Drop tonight. There is some lost sole up there near the chin. We were over near Maple ridge so we didn't get involved [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:37:17 01/14/10 Thu I leave Sibley Avenue on Friday evenings between 6:00 and 6:15 pm in the van and make the rounds, picking up any folks who have called me for a ride earlier in the day. Our meeting starts a little before 7pm at the sanctuary in Berlin and we usually stop at the McDonalds drive thru for milk shakes around 8:30 on the way home. if you come, expect a miracle! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:02:59 01/15/10 Fri I might be able to come next week. Tonight is not going to work. The Boss loaded me right up with chores. I have to have dinner on the table at 6pm. Vacuum, laundry and a number of other cores. One of these nights I will try. Don't hold your breath on impressing me. I am pretty settled in my outlook but can tolerate about anything for a few hours. Shane and I may do the dish pan in the morning. sounds like some Bolton skiing too on Sunday. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:13:35 01/19/10 Tue Jesus said; "I have come so that you might have life and that you might have it more abundantly". My ski trips with Bob are a reflection of an abundant life. And I never worry about any of my needs being met because whatever I want - He wants me to have more than I want it. People who dwell on the devil and sin forget that there is a God and the victory has already been won. You can spend less time worrying about the devil and spend more time learning about getting closer to God. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:22:47 01/19/10 Tue preach it brother Shane! perhaps you'd like to come to a meeting with brother bob on a friday night sometime? I heard someone describe the devil as a defeated king that is being paraded, in chains, through the colleseum for all the spectators to watch, on his way to a certain death. Even so, for some, this defeated enemy can still send shock waves of fear by his evil stares. So, as you say, it is always, always an uplifing reminder that Jesus has paid for our victory already! Not only over Satan, but over every cursed thing that could hurt us in any way! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:29:53 01/24/10 Sun The merry go round just never stops does it? The Devil is required so that Jesus can save us from something. Evil needs to be struggling with good to make the good relevant. Be nice because its better then being mean. Its so simple everyone misses it. Why create more political unrest. Religion has become a political party looking for votes (money). The parallels are impossible to ignore. In site a riot and then promise to fix it. Yawn! It is a giant waste of time [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:32:26 01/26/10 Tue I was looking at the News today in regards to the current earth quake damage in Haiti. If Jesus paid for victory over ever cursed that could hurt us how come those poor Haitian people had to deal with that? Apparently somewhere along the line the Haitians decided that Cinder Block houses were where it was at. A Block house is considered a status symbol. These types of houses are particularly sensitive to earth movement and the root cause of 10's of thousands of deaths. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:30:01 01/26/10 Tue The science of mathematics contains the digit 1. All the other digits are multiples of the same 1. There is only One and all the forms and names of the universe are created from that One. All numbers are the result of a point which cannot be measured in the same way that the Universe has come out of a void which cannot be measured. Now if you make a zero and put the 1 afterwards as in 01, then every zero has value if the one is put first, but zero has no value if the One is not put first. All the forms of the world are like zeros, and without being aware of the One have no value at all. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:41:22 01/27/10 Wed Make a graph with +/-10 on the Y axis. Then draw a sinusoid which passed through the Y zero line along the x axis. Every time the line passes through zero it means something just as significant as when the line passes through any other Y value on the graph. I am at a loss of how we would describe many things without the lowly zero. Not sure what this has to do with Jesus paying for victory. I guess the legend says there was only one Jesus and perhaps we are the zeros to the Jesus 1. Not sure what 1001 would then mean then. Big Jesus and little Jesus separated by nothing so again just one Jesus? Its to complex, I can't take it. The Sun is out and Joe will soon have no nose hair! Praise the lord? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:56:22 01/27/10 Wed I simply wanted to point out that even mathematics can point toward a creative force. I was trying to pique your rational mind in a new direction. Sorry for the confusion. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:18:25 01/27/10 Wed Shane I am just messing around with you. I am not confused at all. The Jesus concept limits creativity by definition. All my posts in this realm are to pique minds into looking around a bit more. Why not? Still looking for more on this Statement from Tim. "Jesus has paid for our victory already! Not only over Satan, but over every cursed thing that could hurt us in any way!" Apparently cinder block walls were not covered by this insurance policy. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:37:03 02/03/10 Wed again, my worldly friend, you're mixing up the physical and the spiritual realm, but your questions are good and relevant. Being born again is a simple act of obedience to God's Word. It doesn't change you physically. It doesn't even change your circumstances. You can be born again and poor as poor can be, but you have inside of you a hope that can not disappoint! All the riches in the world cannot compare with the riches of the Kingdom of God. They are merely a physical representation of such. Poverty is a curse, but it is also a state of mind. You can have nothing and still be rich! The world as we see it is a place of wonder and beauty, but at the same time it can be a perilous place of tremendous suffering. When we suffer, as born again believers, our suffering is not in vain. If you are without the Christ living inside you; if your spirit has not been set free, it only matters if you don't make it out from beneath the rubble of a collapsed building. When you die, you go to an even worse place where there is no end to the suffering. Eternity for the human spirit is a reality, whether you believe in it or not! The good news, as it is preached in every corner of the world to the rich and the poor alike is that 'you don't have to live like a refugee' to quote Tom Petty. God's insurance policy has no pre-existing condition clauses. It is His amazing Grace to save the lost sinner from eternity in hell through the simple acceptance of His Truth, which is His Son coming to earth to take away every curse from your back; poverty, sickness, emotional and physical pain of all kinds! There is no catch, no premium, no hidden costs to pay later on. It's FREE and available to ALL! WOW! T.O. 2/3/10 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:46:54 02/03/10 Wed Snake Oil Tim, in the fine tradition of a Snake oil Salesman. It solves problems you don't know you have. It fixes stuff that aint broke yet. It shines and cleans and makes your shit smell sweet, Snake oil! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:34:39 02/04/10 Thu don't forget the money back guarantee! PLUS!!! EVEN BETTER THAN THAT, you can try it, before you buy it! Read Genesis chapter 3 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:00:49 02/04/10 Thu Money Back? I thought it was free. How can you get money back if you paid nothing for the service? You Snake Oil Guys are all the same. You can't read Genesis Chapter 3. Its not a story with a plot, its not a reference filled with facts. Its text in a sentence structure. Each line is phrased to mean what ever you want it to. Every line open to interpretation. Goggle it and find several thousand bits of commentary telling you just what it means. Pick one they are all different. I suppose you can read it but the comprehension part is purposefully difficult making any understanding a matter of opinion. I can't think of a more worthless piece of written communication. Its the root of political wrangling. Say a whole lot without really saying anything. Sound important but really be insignificant. Like I said Snake oil [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:47:52 02/04/10 Thu There is only one Absolute Reality. The only obstacle between you and recognition of that reality is any thoughts that you have about who you think you are.You find out who you are by finding out who you are not. It's as simple as that.That is what Jesus meant when he said; "There is a way that seems right to a man, but that way is the way of death". As young children we totally lived in this place of bliss before we were taught to think and interpret life from a mental viewpoint. Jesus said: "One must be like a child to enter the kingdom of heaven". He is of course referring to this state of Being. It is not difficult to do as it is your natural state of being. The mind is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Telebob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:29:27 02/04/10 Thu I might clarify just a little. Each of us has our own reality. We construct our own frame of reference and from that vantage point we navigate amongst all the other realities that exist. Tim will continue to believe he is going some place special despite running into my reality on this forum. My reality is we are already some place special. I am just a bump on Tim's road to where ever it is he thinks he is going. We grab what ever we need to support our frame of reference, its only natural. Tim grabs scripture to support his. No matter where we go we are there so to speak. Who ever we are is not something we can ever escape from. We can externally act differently but inside we are who we are and have always been. This doesn't really change much. If Jesus said you need to act like a child to get into Heaven. He might of also meant that by acting like a child you were already in Heaven. As in follow your Bliss and exist in Heaven right now. Why wait? The skiing was so go today I am going right back up there in the AM. Its suppose to be sunny so I am going to act like a child and go play in the woods with my dog. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:33:43 02/06/10 Sat What an awesome dialogue! You both flatter me with your presence here. I have to stop and thank God for everything He is doing in me, through me and for me and for even allowing me to have this forum. I also want to thank Joe for setting it up and for helping me keep it going. As a businessman I will yet find a way to make money online. My CD sales are flat right now, but my name is at the top of the google list, so it is only a matter of time before God brings some like minded individuals across my path to help me and my business, Creative Kingdom Concepts LLC, in our efforts to better the world! My support homes are full right now and the work is exciting with prospects for further development in the city, beyond my own capacity to imagine them. The Berlin Street house I labored to improve and develop as a theraputic residence back in '02 is now serving as a home church fellowship with two weekly services and the numbers of those participating is being added to every week! Meanwhile, on the home front, Kathy and I are making improvements to the p-view house and both of the children are now young adults pursuing their own careers and hopefully soon to start their own families! The Bible says that when the righteous flourish, the city rejoices, and that is what we are seeing here in Montpelier. Lives are changing and people are recognizing that it is not, as Shane says and I agree, an intellectual pursuit, but rather a change that occurs when we enter into the Kingdom of God, by faith, as a child. I like what Bob says also, why wait for heaven? We can begin practicing for it right here and now! Every day brings new opportunity for us to experience what God Himself has ordained for us, as His kids; to enjoy our lives to the full! He has set before us, life and death, the blessing and the curse, therefore choose life that you and your descendents may live! - Deut 30:19 For others who may visit this site, I say welcome and do stop by often and feel free to add your comments! T.O. 2/6/10 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:08:46 02/09/10 Tue Geeeze is that some disarmament tactic you get taught in God school. Smother the opposition in complements and then slightly twist the words so that it seems like we are all on the same page. No Nada Not going to happen. Tim this is Heaven right now. There is no practice, there is no test , there is no entrance exam, there is no list. Everyone here right now is in. It doesn't last forever either. Its just until it ends. Its all we got and there is nothing else. Its all things too, good , bad and ugly. Take it because you can't leave it. Nobody gets out alive. I heard a funny comedian the other day talking about space travel. He noted how Man has shrived to get up into space a place he pointed out we already were. How silly he thought it was that we would collectively try so hard to get some place we already were. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:18:19 02/09/10 Tue I doubt that anyone visiting here would have any confusion about the fact that you and I are on different pages, spiritually speaking. They would only have to read one of the thread's from start to finish in order to glean that we are on opposite sides of the fence. You are on the outside looking in (my forum is clearly established as a place of righteousness) and I am on the inside looking out (you can say it's the other way 'round if you want, but either way, no discerning visitor will be confused. The real difference between you and I, in God's eyes, is that I have accepted His forgiveness for my sins and have entered the sheep fold through the narrow gate (John 14:6). As long as there is breath in your lungs there is hope for your soul to be accepted as well! We don't get to heaven by striving; we simply accept what has been written and apply it to our own lives in the here and now. This doesn't happen by osmosis (such as 'the diffusion of fluids through a pourous partition'). We cannot be on both sides of the same fence and expect to be approved by those on either side. But if we acknowledge that there IS a fence (and i don't mean offence) then we have stepped one step closer towards crossing over! Oh, I may swing my leg back over the fence every now and then, in my zeal to be found approved, but when I come to my senses, I get back in the fold without delay! (you can just re-read this thread from the beginning if you get confused about that)! I can assure you this, with as much certainty as you proclaim that there is nothing past what we can see and touch in this life, I can tell you that I will not be going back, or even considering your point of view as a viable option for me, now or into eternity (as I said before, it is real for both of us, whether we accept it or not). The dividing line is clearly set and the more I learn about God through His Word, the more responsibility He gives me to make my stand in His righteousness clear. T.O. 2/9/2010 [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 21:01:01 02/10/10 Wed That's it Tim, You think there is a fence and I don't. Show me were it is or better yet tell me why there has to be a fence at all. If everyone is welcome why do you need a fence? I wonder what it is you learn. Seems like the defining document is written in a way as to not specifically say anything. I wonder what you can actually learn from such a thing. Twisting words serves the twister usually. My grass is greener over here. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 05:52:34 02/12/10 Fri more good questions! I can't wait to answer them bob. Have a great time in Florida! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:01:17 02/12/10 Fri thanks for your descriptive explanation of why you're still here, but you need to keep your expletives to yourself thank-you! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: tim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:49:28 02/15/10 Mon Jesus said, if you abide in me, you will be my disciples indeed and you will know the Truth and the Truth will make you free. In another passage, Jesus speaking, He said, I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. The key word being 'through'. This implies passage from one place to another. From where we is to where we wants to be. Christ brings division: In the gospel of John 10:34, Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword." It is this division, or 'fence' that separates the believers from the unbelievers. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I prefer an honest unbeliever to a mealy mouthed believer any day! As in the days that Jesus walked the earth in the flesh, it was the religous people that missed the significance of His coming. My prayer before He returns again to bring this age of grace to a close is that many will open their hearts and minds to accept His Way, His will and enter through the narrow gate into everlasting Life in the Kingdom of God, which the Bible says is not eating and drinking but Righteousness, Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:31:45 02/24/10 Wed Blah blah blah blah. So Jesus came with a sword and made a fence and the folks who were into to scripture missed the boat. I guess we have not learned anything have we? Still no answers either just more references to twisted words. There is a church on every block down here. All have different names. Its like fast food for the spirit. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Shane [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:28:20 02/24/10 Wed When Jesus mentions the sword - He is not referring to it in the sense that it is a weapon. The sword is a symbol of cutting through the Gordian knot created by the mind in its' attempt to understand the divine nature of things. The mind does not have the ability to lead us into salvation. Letting go of the mind for many people creates a great deal of turmoil or lack of peace because nearly everyone suffers from an unconscious identification with their thoughts. We consider it to be normal because nearly everyone suffers from it. If you don't believe - watch people. Nearly everyone walks around in a sort of hypnosis as they continously interpret the world through their thoughts. No wonder lots of people get bored. They keep seeing the same things over and over again as the same thoughts play over and over again. Observe your own thinking and you will begin to see patterns or thought loops that run over and over again. Jesus offers a sword that cuts through the mental chatter and reveals the true nature of things and your true self beyond thought. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: the devil's dishpan? Author: Bob [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:18:56 02/26/10 Fri More the "Grass is greener" over here with Jesus thought loops? Don't worry, Be Happy, is kinda the same thing. Its just without the whole Hey You I got better Snake oil over here approach I saw on every block in Florida. Most of the things folks worry about go away without doing anything. Many of the things that you have to worry about you could not have seen coming even if you looked for it. Reading scripture doesn't change anything anymore then getting drunk does. Just don't drive and read scripture at the same time. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]