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Date Posted: 14:48:02 06/17/02 Mon
Author: Adilbrand
Subject: Pancho/Adilbrand Thread

Mark terminated his forum, but I thought we could continue our discussion here, so I rescued the following bits from oblivion, since I had made some responses but you had not had time to read them yet. My posts are in blue, yours are in green.

We seem to share several of the same historical interests.

Yes, we do. Was your list in descending order of interest? Mine was, basically. I was wondering because you have a lot of Indian stuff listed first, while, for the most part, I haven't got a lot of interest in U.S. Indians. The ironic thing is that 2 of my favorite authors write about Indians: Tony Hillerman and James Alexander Thom (a Hoosier author who lives in the woods near Bloomington, I do believe). I've mentioned Hillerman in my ANHOW reviews, but have you ever read any of Thom's work. "Follow the River" and "Panther in the Sky" are excellent, concerning the time when Ohio, Indiana and Kentucky were the frontier country.
Here's a list of his books that I've read:
"Follow the River" - concerning a white woman kidnapped from Pennsylvania by Indians and her escape and return. Fantastic.
"From Sea to Shining Sea" - Lewis and Clark. Very good. I read it while we were taking I-70 out west, which partially follows their trail.
"Long Knife" - George Rogers Clark. Very good. Because of this book, Clark is one of my heroes.
"Panther in the Sky" - Tecumseh and his brother the Prophet. Excellent book.
"The Children of First Man" - a story about the possibility that Europeans (Welsh) arrived in the Americas about 500 years before Columbus and how they were absorbed into the Indian population after several generations - inspired by the Mandan tribe. Fascinating topic.


Unfortunately, my list was in no particular order. I just typed them as I thought of them. I was reading an H.P. Lovecraft story about Indian pre-history ("The Mound"), so Indians were on my mind. I haven't read any of those books you listed, but I will keep an eye out for them. I have read a lot of various Time/Life volumes on Indians (The Wild West series, Lost Civilizations series, Living Wisdom series), and various history books my dad has around the house. I've read a lot of historical fiction (and out and out fiction) by Louis L'amour, H.P. Lovecraft, Robert E. Howard, and others).

I've read a lot about the various myths and legends of various Indian tribes. That interests me a lot.

I also like looking at old pictures. Indiana Business College is a hundred years old. I recently got to look at an archive of pictures from its infancy (pictures dating from 1902-1940). It was fascinating.

Interestingly, I just heard a report on the news that said something like 80% of whites in America do not refer to themselves by their country of European extraction (Irish, Italian, etc.). Instead, when asked their nationality, they say "American." BTW, this is how I feel - although my genetic heritage is mostly German, my cultural heritage is American. I have no particular desire to go to Germany. To me, it is just another of the countries in Europe. I feel much more attachment to Indiana, and am much more proud of its accomplishments and idiosyncracies and more defensive about its shortcomings to outsiders (we have a teacher from Detroit who is continually taking little potshots at rural Indiana that I find rather annoying - like Detroit is anything to hold up as an example)

I am sometimes in the 20% category. I have described my nationality as German-American before. I am extremely proud of my Germanic heritage. (I also have a smidgen of American Indian in me also from my mom's side of the family, and a bit of Irish, but even her side is still mostly German.) Even though I have never been there, I do think of Germany as home. I am rather unimpressed with Indiana, however. Don't get me wrong, I am proud to be an American also - just not terribly proud to be a Hoosier.

I probably shouldn't mention this, but I do sometimes feel a sense of pride at having a Lutheran background. While I don't feel any spiritual loss at my decision to be non-Christian, I do feel a cultural loss - as if I have chosen to turn my back on a bit of my German heritage. I also feel a lot of pride that my childhood church actually, at one time, conducted services in German. A lot of Lutheran churches can't say that. Anyway, if I had to have a Christian upbringing, I am glad it was a Lutheran one. At least it was German in origin.

Even though he was a monster, I even feel a sense of perverse pride that Hitler was German. At least it wasn't a Frenchman that threatened the entire world with fascist insanity.

Anyway, I feel a strong connection with Germany and Europe, and very little with Indiana, despite having lived my entire life here.

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