I have really had it! I spent $750 for a new routine for my daughter just to find out that another mother heard about the music we were using and the coreographer we hired and is copying my daughter's exact number! First, I can't believe the coreographer is doing a number to the same music! But shouldn't there be a morality among pageant moms that we won't steal ideas and numbers from each other? Click in -- Air it ALL

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Date Posted: 15:24:46 08/24/04 Tue
Author: No name
Author Host/IP: NoHost / 63.164.145.198
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I have really had it! I spent $750 for a new routine for my daughter just to find out that another mother heard about the music we were using and the coreographer we hired and is copying my daughter's exact number! First, I can't believe the coreographer is doing a number to the same music! But shouldn't there be a morality among pageant moms that we won't steal ideas and numbers from each other? Click in

It has gotten so that moms in our area don't think anything about stealing from one another as far as ideas,clothing and numbers. It has also been that one pageant mom tells other pageant moms a certain person to use as a coreographer and says that they are awesome but then the first mom goes to somebody else who is even better! HaHa, she must be thinking! The joke is on the poor mom who went where she was referred to this "awesome" coreographer who isn't even good.
And all of these moms pretend to be friends. Friends don't do this to each other. Don't we all have more honesty than this?
This totally makes me sick and furious. What should I do? Should I sue the coreographer? The mom who stole the routine that we bought first? Does anybody know an attorney that I can contact? I just want some answers although it is sad that it has to come to this.
Do any pageant moms have husbands who are attorneys that can help me out? I really need legal advice bad!

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Not that I know of. But there is a pageant dirctor who is an attorney. Are you interested? (NT) -- No name, 06:23:47 08/30/04 Mon (cache-dtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com/205.188.116.196)
1st if you spent $750 on a routine, you should have had the music professionally cut using several different songs. Cosy more but is worth it. Second unless you own the music and the cor. has a patent on the moves, there's nothing you can do! (NT) -- No name, 14:45:58 08/30/04 Mon (adsl-068-209-205-193.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net/68.209.205.193)
It would be good if there was an attorney that we could call when we have problems like this! Sorry that you seem to have gotten the raw end of the deal. Hopefully that mother will feel ashamed of herself! (NT) -- No name, 16:41:35 08/30/04 Mon (NoHost/63.164.145.198)
You must know CV..... (NT) -- No name, 13:45:42 08/31/04 Tue (ip68-0-139-22.tc.ph.cox.net/68.0.139.22)
Actually the "joke" is on your poor kid!!! Too bad I don't have any legal advice for you. I don't think you can actually "copywrite" a routine, and even that would be up to the coach. Your problem is with the coach, there is no way that he/she should have been a party to this. Maybe you can sue him/her. (NT) -- No name, 14:05:47 08/31/04 Tue (cache-dtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com/205.188.116.196)
You need to see an attorney. (NT) -- No name, 15:50:05 08/31/04 Tue (NoHost/63.164.145.198)
So do something about it! First, who is this mom? Second, go after her legally. You paid for the routine and it belongs to you! Did she pay for it? No! Hire an attorney and get what is due to you! (NT) -- No name, 11:30:35 09/02/04 Thu (NoHost/63.164.145.198)
I bet you live in AZ my guess it's CV she likes to do that kind of thing (NT) -- Been there had it done!!!, 12:55:03 09/02/04 Thu (cache-gtc-aa06.proxy.aol.com/149.174.164.10)
Actually, if the same rules apply as in dance, then the "routine" belongs to the choreographer, not the student. So unless you sign a contract with her reserving your exclusive right to the moves, then you probably have no course of action. Also, with the choice of music. It is obviously copyrighted and so you definitely don't have an exclusive there. Now that being said, no one should copy another's routine. (NT) -- No name, 22:01:10 09/03/04 Fri (ip68-97-212-113.ok.ok.cox.net/68.97.212.113)
- This is basically an ethical issue. Try talking to this woman and see if she might reconsider using the routine. (NT) -- No name, 10:48:15 01/13/05 Thu (NoHost/63.164.145.85)
Any suggestions? This is really sad! (NT) -- No name, 15:36:22 09/07/04 Tue (NoHost/63.164.145.198)
Sure thing, CV!!!! Are you playing some sort of role playing game? Just to see the response? You just want to know what you are up against legally? Well, my husband is an attorney and he would laugh in your face. Maybe you could call The People's Court!!!!! (NT) -- No name, 21:10:23 09/07/04 Tue (ip68-0-139-22.tc.ph.cox.net/68.0.139.22)
- Trial and Error! (NT) -- No name, 10:08:50 10/02/04 Sat (cache-dtc-ad02.proxy.aol.com/205.188.116.196)
This woman is a mess! Watch out for her! (NT) -- No name, 09:39:37 11/19/04 Fri (NoHost/63.164.145.198)
- Hire an attorney and get what is coming to you! (NT) -- No name, 15:12:25 12/21/04 Tue (cache-rtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com/152.163.100.195)
- Most moms have learned to stay clear of this psycho but for those who are stupid enough to still associate with her, you better watch your back! (NT) -- No name, 06:41:24 12/27/04 Mon (cache-rtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com/152.163.100.195)
  - Is ANYONE stupid enough to still be talking to CV? (NT) -- No name, 05:49:51 01/11/05 Tue (cache-mtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com/64.12.116.195)
I saw CV at a cheerleading gym and she was such a busybody, asking everyone about about their daughters were doing, if theyn did pageants, did they have a solo, what was their costume,etc. MYOB CV! (NT) -- No name, 06:51:08 01/13/05 Thu (NoHost/63.164.145.85)
- You are best to stay away from CV. She is a certified nutcase! (NT) -- No name, 06:23:11 01/31/05 Mon (cache-dtc-ad01.proxy.aol.com/205.188.116.195)
hahahahaa -- No name, 14:06:27 02/15/05 Tue (adsl-66-124-241-129.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net/66.124.241.129)