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Subject: Charlotte tournament Author: Pupster [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:10:42 01/22/07 Mon All of the competitors were fun to watch, but the tournament was organized and run like a cheap circus. After several tournaments, especially with a major sponsor, why can't Joe Hurst put on a respectable tournament. First the mat was a joke. The tournament was hours late to start,and the competitors could only guess as to where they should go. Some weight classes were idiotic(ie 155lb vs. 190lb beginners while the 170lbs were competing.) One kid was even moved to compete against an advanced champion several weight classes up(new thread coming on this), while the kids class was being held across the mat. I could probably go on and on but the bottom line is does Hurst even have a clue,I will bet his gym and personal ability to do BJJ are just as bad as this presentation. this is not an attack on Hurst as I do not know him. I just feel if you are in the spotlight you need to put up or shut up. Can things get better? [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:14:56 01/22/07 Mon Actually that is a directly personal attack on Hurst when you say stuff like that. You dont have to know someone to talk smack about them, as you are demonstrating. I have only ever been to a few sub grappling/BJJ tournaments and I can say none of them run too smoothly, and the bigger they get the more chaos that will ensue. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Twister [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:22:18 01/23/07 Tue I will have to agree that the tournament ran poorly. There was very little communications to the competitors when there were a shortage of competitors and the divisions were combined. Then there was the random moving around of guys putting them in divisions they didn't belong in. Not splitting up the weights properly. When the divisions were combined the pairing up of individuals couldn't have been any poorer. Say they combined 3 divisions. a 155 guy, 2 guys in the 170-190 division and a guy over 190. Why would you put the 155 guy against the over 190 guy in the first match? This is the kind of stuff that makes this event tuff to support. There were 2 refs in particular that were the worst I have ever seen. Now Trust me...I know reffing and have made my share of mistakes, but when you have 2 guys start standing, one guy gets the takedown and takes mount. This is a takedown in any tournament. WTF was going on. In one match there were 2 guys rolling and a guy passed to mount. This was said at the rules meeting this is a 7 point move. Well the guy wasn't given the mount points only the guard pass. What a crock. There were a few refs there that did a great Job, Andrew Smith, Noah Booth and Fernando. Yeah all refs make mistakes but the 2 brazilian refs were terrible!!!! Overall the competition at the event was excellent. I got to see some fantastic matches and enjoyed the pro divisions. It was great to see guys from all over show up and compete here in NC. Hopefully this same talent pool will come out and support the pendagrass events in Wake Forrest. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: pupster [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:12:13 01/23/07 Tue Why does this tournament chaos have to occur, its no different than running a business, if you have your act together you make more money. If we the competitors(ie. customers) demand more than we will get it. If we continue to let things get worse and do not raise the standards then we will get crap such as this tournament. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:06:18 01/23/07 Tue I dont think it HAS to occur. I do think if you dont run alot of them fairly often its tough to make it happen smoothly when you have one. I was not there and am not commenting on it one way or another. I was just saying you cant basically say a persons gym and teaching sucks and then say its not a personal attack. It sounded pretty personal to me. For the record I also could not care less if you are attacking/criticizing Joe, I just try to post on here as often as I can to get a pulse going on this forum. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: pupster [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:27:44 01/24/07 Wed I hear what you are saying about a personal attack, and that was not where I wanted this to go, but since this tournament was so bad, and from talking to others this is normal from Hurst. I am not usually far off in judging a mans character by his presentation. I can always be corrected. My main point is if you are going to step up and run a tournament, large or small no matter who it is get your act together so the competitiors are rewarded for their hard work. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Tracey [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 17:20:18 01/24/07 Wed I've never been to a Bud Cup and don't know Joe but let me tell you, it's a hell of a lot harder than what it looks to run a tournament. Not saying there isn't room for improvement with this event but it's tough. I helped Guy and Rob a little at their last tournament so I got to see the behind the scenes and it was way more work than what I thought... and I wasn't doing most of the work. Brackets are easy to set up but then people write heavy weigh when they are really light heavyweight, get hurt, leave without telling anyone, and other miscellaneous crap that makes you have to write and rewrite teh brackets several times. Then volunteers don't show up or drift off during the day. Can't say much about reffing though because I haven't done that. I know several of you on here have put on tournaments and know how it is but for those of you who haven't, it is tough. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 01:53:45 01/25/07 Thu "I am not usually far off in judging a mans character by his presentation." Things like this contradict when you say you dont know him, but say bad things about him and then say its not personal. You mention stepping up, try it yourself. Just say outright what you think without qualifying it as "nothing personal". You sound like a crone gossipping a a hair dresser's. You could also actually post with your name instead of a nick, like the vast majority of this forum since you all for stepping up. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: pupster [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:57:00 01/25/07 Thu OK Tracey, now we are bringing out what I was after. I know tournaments are very hard. Guy and Robs tournament is getting better and better, you can see the hard work and attempt to create a great tournament it comes through and those of you who do know them probably agree. Brandon, I guess I should have used the words of a" general attack". Sure I am generally attacking but its at the attempt of someone taking these and using them constructively. I am wanting the people in this local forum to discuss the good and bad of the tournaments to make them better, there is a great deal of local talent and brains. One way to bring that out is pick an individual out(who just had a tournament) and make him accountable. I was using the phrase of not personally attacking in hope of not getting stuck in a Joe Hurst discussion, maybe I used a statement that could have been better, but what fun would that be. My point is what are some important issues in tournaments to make them better. I do not hide behind a nickname, my name is Drew some already knew. I feel that Bjj is in a growth spurt, and those of us who support it, and give no BS feedback, that the individuals putting on the tournaments will gain valuble info. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: It is Hard to do a event. Author: James Speight [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 18:36:56 01/25/07 Thu It is tough to put on a event keep one going and keep everyone happy. I remember when every one was saying, we need more events, we need more events, but even when you throw a good but small event, and everyone is happy. Getting them to come out to the next one can be a problem. To really get a good events going you have to have suport from Local schools, in the area. And doing events here the support is not there. We all say im not going to that event it is ran buy so-n-so. I think like to think that the sport should start from the gound up,i have said this over and over. but Not one school has taken or anyone else up on starting a circuit where 8 to 10 schools come together and each sponsor one small in house event. i have done several in house events and people have loved them, and every school helps in the other schools. run it in low espense like $5-$10 for competing, every coach brings a team that was pre-reg with walking weights, you would be on your honor system. I think more students would compete in a freindly in house circuit event then in a big event. but i dont know anything really. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Pupster [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:42:59 01/26/07 Fri James, this is the type of idea i am looking for. I really like this idea. It would be great leading up to tournaments and most schools could do this. I think this would lead to nice little rivalries that would carry into the bigger tournaments, and maybe more team competition could be established as well. Everyone reading this forum should tell their school its time for this. Its no time like the present to get this started. Can you imagine how much better your BJJ could get. A little friendly competition, great comment James. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:30:04 01/26/07 Fri Make no mistake, I am not saying you should be able to vent a bout a poorly run tournament. BUT you said,"I could probably go on and on but the bottom line is does Hurst even have a clue,I will bet his gym and personal ability to do BJJ are just as bad as this presentation. this is not an attack on Hurst as I do not know him." That isnt constructive at all. If you stick to your problems with the tourney, you are much more likely to get positive input, discussion and maybe progress, rather than turning it into a TOgnos thread. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Pupster [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 20:40:15 01/27/07 Sat I got it Brandon, just like BJJ I have to get beat down to learn anything,make a mistake learn from it move on,I learn my political correctness from Billy,LOL, what can I say I am just an old guy with old timers, so on a positive note, with all of your wisdom can you kick in some ideas like James did, I am sure you have them, Maybe even a way to challenge another local gym for some friendly competition, that might be fun. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:30:09 01/28/07 Sun I cant say I am politically correct at all. I have only a shade more tact than Billy, and thats only on my good days. I just hate to see this forum come back in use only to turn into the UG at MMA.TV. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: Charlotte tournament Author: Pupster [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 08:38:37 01/29/07 Mon I am with you Brandon. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]