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Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA??

Author:
Wayne Hurse

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Date Posted: 15:24:02 04/04/08 Fri
In reply to: Just Wondering 's message, "This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA??" on 22:23:35 02/19/08 Tue

"But to be honest I see more a problem with guys with shaky standing games and beginner (blue belt) ground games thinking they can prepare people to fight. They are as much a problem as the shotokan guy who has a wrestler wrenching keylocks (or Americana's if you please) on newbs in the back and calling it grappling/mongolian wrestling/catch as catch can/ whatever."

Okay, but what I don't understand is how you can say that blue belts can't prepare people for competition. It wasn't too long ago that there were nothing but blue belts in NC or SC and I can remember that there were some pretty good fighters coming out of the camp trained by blue belt. Also, if a sensei wants to make money by using mma as a marketing tool, is that so bad? I definitely agree about people who have no cross training. understood. But there are a lot of traditional instructors with background in karate and judo or boxing and JJJ. Should these guys NOT compete in MMA?

What about wrestling? Do these guys stay out of mma competitions now? Give me a break. These guys are good at what they do. Freaking great colleges and highschool wrestlers are in our state. THese guys can't compete?

Freaking ATT now has an "MMA" program that is availabe for distance learning and through seminars. What's up with that? Is it wrong? I see that traditional martial artists are now wanting to cross train. Hell, I thought that was the f-ing point all along. If we are not willing to accept new blood into our sport then what are we even doing?

I have to say that for a bunch of peopl who are supposed to be open minded about training, there is a lot of crap talk to new people who come in and want to learn. relax, you guys are scaring off interested people. isn't this what the mma is all about, exposing the truth of the arts? Let everyone train and learn from one another.

I just am excited about this mma boom. we need to get along and open our schools to each other.

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Brandon Weaver
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Date Posted: 19:43:11 04/04/08 Fri

"It wasn't too long ago that there were nothing but blue belts in NC or SC and I can remember that there were some pretty good fighters coming out of the camp trained by blue belt. Also, if a sensei wants to make money by using mma as a marketing tool, is that so bad? I definitely agree about people who have no cross training. understood. But there are a lot of traditional instructors with background in karate and judo or boxing and JJJ. Should these guys NOT compete in MMA?"

That was about 8+ years ago. Big difference between a new blue (about a year's experience) and the guys from back then (who all had been wearing blues for several years BEFORE training other people). Time frame of training was my intent in using blue belt as a reference (a year of training) and IMO a guy with a year of mat time needs to be training with people and NOT teaching. Period. Not if he is sending guys into MMA competition.

You mentioning college wrestlers in the same post is ridiculous. Wrestling is a proven combat sport and anyone who wrestled in college is alot more seasoned than a year.

I am all for new people coming into the sport. I am NOT for sensais treating MMA as the new tae bo and trying to make money. Tae Bo wont get anyone hurt, training in a weak program, under bad instruction, with a weak team WILL.

Promoters are not going to look out for fighters, plain and simple. If a coach is too inexperienced to know what to look out for and how to prepare a person to fight he is the ONLY buffer a fighter has between having a fair match-up and getting a confidence shattering, life altering beating.

I have seen all sides of MMA competiton, and I can tell you the fight game isnt always pretty on the underside, and if you dont train with a decent team and good trainers you are going to see more of that underside than you want to. Yes I am a cynic.

I'd feel alot better about Kroddy Sensais runnning MMA programs if they ACTUALLY HAVE EXPERIENCE COMPETING AND TRAINING THEMSELVES. That is my point. I want to see a bunch of tape trained, never competed, never trained for a fight themselves weeners training fighters. That's my whole point if its not clear by now. Too many good guys with good backgrounds in this state for a guy who wants to fight to train with rather than training with some clown who is "learning on the job" with some kid's safety in his hands.

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