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Subject: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Just Wondering [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 22:23:35 02/19/08 Tue This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? we have a boxing dude that does a little bit of grappling. MMA?? having 5th dan in Anything pre-1993?? Karate, Judo, TKD you put a little bit of something else, you teach MMA?? these traditional martial artist that does forms and stuff, or ever did forms or stuff, they are playing on the Modern Use of the Words like Mixed Martial Arts Or Grappling. Yes in Pre-1993 Grappling Ment alkido Judo or any grabbing of Gi style, but now MMA means Thai Kickboxing and Grappling means Brazilain Jiu-jitsu, you may add a little boxing or Judo or something else but 90% of it is those two arts. so your JKD guy who has hated MMA since the beginnning now sees how much of a market real MMA places have made, can now say they teach MMA?? they are just playing on the words to cunfuse students. ":we treach a blend of traditional martial arts like karate wrestling some judo, so we teach Mixed Martial Arts" and if you are the acception to the rule in those ranks like a few on this forum, and we all know they cross train in those styles, before you claim something in MMA shouldnt you have a record, it is a sport you know?? next "we teach yoga palaties and some tai-bo so you get the most in low impact MMA" but on the good side of this is some of these places that claim to teach MMA really compted in MMA then it would give the BBJ & MTKB schools some new prey to work on. that is my 2 cents [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Just wondering?? [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:28:17 02/19/08 Tue i can see it now "i was MMA when MMA ment something" "I was MMA when MMA wasnt cool" (that one to Music) Just wondering [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Ses [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:01:46 02/20/08 Wed I was "Just Wondering" how long it would take before everyone was "teaching" MMA after it started to hit the air ways and became more acceptable. When it was "Outlawed" many "respectable martial artist" did not want to have anything to do with it as a sport or an art form. Credentials or not there will be an import of new gyms, fighters and Instructors. I just hope the competitive blood line is not weakened by this influx. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:35:06 02/20/08 Wed I have seen a bit of the people teaching, advertising MMA training who have zero business saying these things. It would be one thing if they were only talking about aikido and JJJ and making very sure they tell students they do not prepare people for MMA competition. But to be honest I see more a problem with guys with shaky standing games and beginner (blue belt) ground games thinking they can prepare people to fight. They are as much a problem as the shotokan guy who has a wrestler wrenching keylocks (or Americana's if you please) on newbs in the back and calling it grappling/mongolian wrestling/catch as catch can/ whatever. I know of several places not too far from where I live that are "training" people. If I were younger and dumber I would pay them a visit, but I dont really care to expose goobers, and the truth is the place I am now it would be extrememly unprofessional. My best advice to anyone if you are looking to start training some of the more combat oriented styles is if you see MMA, look at several different gyms/schools to see what "feels" right. You may not know BS when you see it, but if you see a legit place and go into a shaky place you will see a big difference in the way things are presented and usually in the overall skill level of the people training there. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> [> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Todd Warren [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:18:05 02/20/08 Wed Again, not trying to offend anyone. I do have to say this forum is not all that welcoming for those claiming to be building the sport here in NC. If you are interested in training, our instructor, Shihan Shameek, can assist you I have no doubt. Give it a try and then challenge and bash if it's not for real. We all know that anyone can claim anything on the internet, so if you are truly interested come see us. Free first class, no tricks. Todd [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:34:34 02/20/08 Wed Also since you brought this to a MMA forum, how many people training there have competed in MMA? How many will compete in the next 6 months? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Wayne Hurse [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:24:02 04/04/08 Fri "But to be honest I see more a problem with guys with shaky standing games and beginner (blue belt) ground games thinking they can prepare people to fight. They are as much a problem as the shotokan guy who has a wrestler wrenching keylocks (or Americana's if you please) on newbs in the back and calling it grappling/mongolian wrestling/catch as catch can/ whatever." Okay, but what I don't understand is how you can say that blue belts can't prepare people for competition. It wasn't too long ago that there were nothing but blue belts in NC or SC and I can remember that there were some pretty good fighters coming out of the camp trained by blue belt. Also, if a sensei wants to make money by using mma as a marketing tool, is that so bad? I definitely agree about people who have no cross training. understood. But there are a lot of traditional instructors with background in karate and judo or boxing and JJJ. Should these guys NOT compete in MMA? What about wrestling? Do these guys stay out of mma competitions now? Give me a break. These guys are good at what they do. Freaking great colleges and highschool wrestlers are in our state. THese guys can't compete? Freaking ATT now has an "MMA" program that is availabe for distance learning and through seminars. What's up with that? Is it wrong? I see that traditional martial artists are now wanting to cross train. Hell, I thought that was the f-ing point all along. If we are not willing to accept new blood into our sport then what are we even doing? I have to say that for a bunch of peopl who are supposed to be open minded about training, there is a lot of crap talk to new people who come in and want to learn. relax, you guys are scaring off interested people. isn't this what the mma is all about, exposing the truth of the arts? Let everyone train and learn from one another. I just am excited about this mma boom. we need to get along and open our schools to each other. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Brandon Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 19:43:11 04/04/08 Fri "It wasn't too long ago that there were nothing but blue belts in NC or SC and I can remember that there were some pretty good fighters coming out of the camp trained by blue belt. Also, if a sensei wants to make money by using mma as a marketing tool, is that so bad? I definitely agree about people who have no cross training. understood. But there are a lot of traditional instructors with background in karate and judo or boxing and JJJ. Should these guys NOT compete in MMA?" That was about 8+ years ago. Big difference between a new blue (about a year's experience) and the guys from back then (who all had been wearing blues for several years BEFORE training other people). Time frame of training was my intent in using blue belt as a reference (a year of training) and IMO a guy with a year of mat time needs to be training with people and NOT teaching. Period. Not if he is sending guys into MMA competition. You mentioning college wrestlers in the same post is ridiculous. Wrestling is a proven combat sport and anyone who wrestled in college is alot more seasoned than a year. I am all for new people coming into the sport. I am NOT for sensais treating MMA as the new tae bo and trying to make money. Tae Bo wont get anyone hurt, training in a weak program, under bad instruction, with a weak team WILL. Promoters are not going to look out for fighters, plain and simple. If a coach is too inexperienced to know what to look out for and how to prepare a person to fight he is the ONLY buffer a fighter has between having a fair match-up and getting a confidence shattering, life altering beating. I have seen all sides of MMA competiton, and I can tell you the fight game isnt always pretty on the underside, and if you dont train with a decent team and good trainers you are going to see more of that underside than you want to. Yes I am a cynic. I'd feel alot better about Kroddy Sensais runnning MMA programs if they ACTUALLY HAVE EXPERIENCE COMPETING AND TRAINING THEMSELVES. That is my point. I want to see a bunch of tape trained, never competed, never trained for a fight themselves weeners training fighters. That's my whole point if its not clear by now. Too many good guys with good backgrounds in this state for a guy who wants to fight to train with rather than training with some clown who is "learning on the job" with some kid's safety in his hands. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Wayne Hurse [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:11:07 04/10/08 Thu "I want to see a bunch of tape trained, never competed, never trained for a fight themselves weeners training fighters. That's my whole point if its not clear by now." I am not understanding you at all. first you say that no one is able to do this and now you are for it. My point is that we should all get along to train with each other and be done with it. Nobudy wants fighters to get hurt, but adults are able to make up their own minds if they want to fight or not. The coaches should never push anyone into fighting, but if they have a competitive atmosphere then thye should do it. "You mentioning college wrestlers in the same post is ridiculous. Wrestling is a proven combat sport and anyone who wrestled in college is alot more seasoned than a year." I dont see how it is ridiculous. i know that these wrestlers are able to compete. You act like the wrestlers are not qualified due to their limited ability for mma. But what I don't understand is that if you have a college wrestlers with 10 years of experience in wrestling, wouldn't they be good? They are almost guaranteed the takedown but Ground n pund would be there for them. I apolgize but I am just not understanding what you mean. I think that MMA is a great sport and we should all offer to cross train with as many people as necesary, be it wrestlers, judo, karate, or what have you. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 16:35:56 04/10/08 Thu Obviously I am not typist, put the word DONT in front of want and it makes alot more sense. What do you not understand about wrestlers? I am not in any way comparing them to a blue belt, a good college wrestler is more than able to teach what he does and apply it in a fight. I dont want new blues trying to start up MMA programs and getting people hurt. You can say all you want about adults making decisions for themselves, but people have to trust a coach. If they do that and said coach says they are ready to fight, they are going to fight. If the coach is a douche, then they get hurt. People who dont know anything dont have too many ways of telling who is legitimately able to train people and who is not. I am not for too many Johnny come latelys is the big point. If you dont have a few years in this DONT TRY TO TRAIN PEOPLE TO DO IT. If thats not clear enough I dont know what is. Programs will spring up based on the ability to generate money rather than coherent, competent instruction. How does my problem with that preclude anyone cross training? If I seem abrasive, maybe its because I have seen one too many "grappling training here" signs in TKD schools. Did you know they even have their very own "levels" of grappling prowess, that guys who cooked it up regulate? Some BS right there. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Rob Austin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:05:31 04/15/08 Tue I'm a level 5 grappler now Neal. lol [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:15:56 04/15/08 Tue Rob can you throw a lightning bolt now? [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: billy d. [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:34:01 04/16/08 Wed I feel much dumber having read some of these posts.I have to go with Mr.Weaver on this one,if you have no experience in some thing,how can you prepare someone else for it?As far as the whole blue belt training someone for a fight,again,I would have to agree with Mrs.Weaver. "It wasn't too long ago that there were nothing but blue belts in NC or SC and I can remember that there were some pretty good fighters coming out of the camp trained by blue belt."Well as Little Miss Weaver had stated it was 8 plus years ago.Also I was one of those blue belts and as stated in the quote,thats about all that there was around here(blue belts).We trained each other and learned some pretty harsh lessons.Now lets fast forward to present day and realize that these blue belts are all brown and black belts.Not only that, but they have experience in training and fighting,have experience training and coaching someone else for a fight,have a grasp on the lines of bullshit that goes on in our sport,and have more in the win part of their record than the loss;not only as individuals,but as coaches and as a team.It's a whole lot different now then back then.What wasn't mentioned was how small and close knit the MMA community was back then.If you didn't know somebody involved in MMA around here(pretty much SC,NC,and VA)you knew of them.We all kinda looked out for each other.Things are a little different now. Blue belts are no longer top of the local food chain,or even close to it unless they have vast previous experience in wrestling and/or boxing or muay thia.Even then a good amount of the purple trough black belts have good wresting and decent stand up.So that being said and a blue belt being a marker that you have a basic understanding of what jiu-jitsu is,I again have to agree with the very seductive Mrs.Weaver that a blue belt preparing some one for a fight probobly is not the best idea. Now there are exeptions to every rule,but they are few and far between.Can a wrestler who has never had a mma match prepare someone for a fight?Not likely,but not out of the question.A very similar question is "Can the seventeen year old kid at Jiffy Lube that changed my oil rebuild my engine?",again it's not likely but it is possible. Now uh,hmmmmm!How do I put this?What in the hell are you talking about Todd Warren?The first to sentences of you post actually intrigued me a little.Then you turned off and headed towards Lalaville and lost me.I honestly can not connect the rest of your post to the first two sentences,or to what anyone else on here is talking about.Nor will I even attempt to pronounce the name of your instructor. Well I have to poop now,so I'll stop typing. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Shidoshi Rob Austin (Lightning bolts) [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 00:51:38 04/16/08 Wed Even though I'm not quite a level 7 grappler, but I can shoot lighting bolts out of my ass I'll add my two cents. First I'll throw out that I am a TKD instructor and I've been teaching for a few years off and on. I just put Shidoshi in my name because I thought I'd look more official if someone read this. MMA is becoming, if not already, a popular thing for people to want to learn. Most martial arts schools you'll run across will try to jump on the wagon and ride it to town, ATT sells MMA certification, ATA just did an MMA seminar and currently runs ground fighting seminars. They're fine and dandy as long as you don't use the (limited) training to open up a Cary Top Team center or something like that. I think another argument most places will resort to is that if you do more than one martial art and you teach them, then it's MMA. I guess that goes with the implied meaning and the understood meaning. If someone tells me that they teach MMA, then I get a vision of people working kickboxing of some sort and grappling. When it turns out it's stick fighting, aikido and kung fu, I start to wonder a bit. If teaching more than one art counts as MMA, then every freaking academy out there would be an MMA academy. In closing I'll just say that you can't teach people to get ready for a fight without fight experience. And most schools teaching an "MMA" course are full of it. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:30:13 04/16/08 Wed Nice to have BJJ royalty agree with me, but remember Tatted one, I am married, so your flattery falls on deaf ears. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: SES [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 13:14:45 04/16/08 Wed Competition, Safety, unfair business practices, and Martial arts politics. These are the points about this post that I have questions about.... What new teams are out there making a strong effort to attract fighters, freelance coaches and clients to promote their gyms and better yet..compete? I'll admit Ringskilz has been out of it as a team but we are still help begining gyms get their feet wet and we have one or two original team mates fighting. What are some of the unsafe practices within MMA? What can we do to avoid them? Whats wrong with the more experienced trainers trying to warn the newer trainer's about these stumbling blocks? If you don't plan on fighting don't bother answering. What about fight contracts? If you don't know the laws concerning Management, promotion, cornerman duties and medical requirements; you'd better read up fighters. There are sharks in the water. Mixing Martial arts or Mixed Martial arts. One refers to a blending of styles for the sake of self-promotion of a self proclaimed background. The other refers to a Combat Sport that is commonly known as MMA. This sport has it's own set of rules and values that allow Two combatants to engage in a manner that is fair to both combatants.....My question is "Who gives a DAMN?!!" I'm not gonna tell what to cook in your oven, just don't be offended when you enter into a baking contest and don't win. Some people just have better goodies......I would've given you my 2 cents but with gas prices lately, I can't spare the change. SES [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Neal Weaver [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 14:52:57 04/16/08 Wed "My question is "Who gives a DAMN?!!"" And my answer is the twenty year old who watches every epidsode of TUF who gets trained inadequately by a non qualified trainer and gets into a fight with a stud from an established gym. If that kid gets wrecked I think he is going to care. This is fighting, people will get hit, they will bleed, people will lose. That is with proper training, guidance and preparation. Guys who dont have those three are going to get shit on. Amatuer rules are pretty unforgiving these days (esp in VA where knees to the head are legal now) to guys with weak training. Those are the people I am concerned about, guys who dont know what they need for a trainer getting into a fight with weak prep and bad advice. Everyone will lose some time, but no need for it to be early and ugly because someone lied about their credentials and duped someone into thinking they had good guidance. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: bright [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 23:43:58 04/17/08 Thu Shidoshi Austin, when can we expect to see "Team Lightin Bolt" puttin on some MMA in Motown/Cary? Hook a brotha up?! [ Post a Reply to This Message ]

[> Subject: Re: This is the norm now???? everyone is teaching MMA?? Author: Shidoshi Rob Austin [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:24:19 04/18/08 Fri We don't bother with rules in our MMA fights, and we have our fights in a pit surrounded by spikes, and the spikes are on fire. Still waiting for the athletic commission to approve that. Hit me up sometime bro so we can get some lunch and catch up. [ Post a Reply to This Message ]