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Date Posted: 08:33:33 12/04/02 Wed
Author: 梁傑豪
Subject: 儒家思想的影響....
In reply to: 辯論隊隊長蔡俊浩 's message, "對濟民道歉宣言" on 06:09:13 12/03/02 Tue

主席大人實冇需自責

當日在場的所有人,包括正反兩方,觀眾,甚至係評判,都係自少受到儒家思想的教育下走出黎的,而辯題:「才」比「德」重要? .作為正方的我們只有証明才比德重要這唯一路徑

而要說服深受儒家思想影響的評判們,實在有其難度,因為佢地一聽到德不重要就好有可能先入為主,覺得我地有問題,印象分急降

其他,唔再多講,你明la,我覺得我地說服到自己才比德重要,已經係嬴左lor
舉例:辯題-聖芳濟好差 咁,你要我做正方....wa,點講好ar,投降lor

算la,比賽實有勝負之分...大家都盡左力
我仲記得果晚大家做到十點半(雖然我冇乜頁獻),我地都得到左唔少經驗

唔講lor,聽早三堂關sir,訓先

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[> Re: 應正視自己的不足 -- 道中人, 20:12:19 12/04/02 Wed

我(正)方敗於荃濟之手,致敗關鍵在於看不準反方的弱點,未能重擊對手;
反方主辯這樣立論:『我們不是說德比才重要,而是說才德兩者同樣重要。』這立論雖巧妙,但有一個重大弱點,在於不可能清楚說明『才德兩者同樣重要』是什麼意思;我方大有機會反敗為勝:

1.「才德兩者同樣重要」意思是各佔50%的重要性嗎?(反方難以此嚴格的比率去說服聽眾吧?)
2. 若「才」佔51%,「德」佔49%; 或「才」佔52%,「德」佔48%;….;那便是我方的立論;反方全軍覆沒了!
3. 若「才」佔49%,「德」佔51%; 或「才」佔48%,「德」佔52%;….;那便是說『德比才重要』,反方主辯的立論前後矛盾,我方便佔先手。
4. 若反方說兩者不能量化,我方仍可窮追猛打,要反方說出憑什麼準則判斷二者的重要性是相等的呢?

正方只要聲稱反方所舉的全部例子,都說不出「才」「德」是各佔50%的重要性,而且甚至是「才」的重要性超過50%,便可一舉把敵軍殲滅,更可把反方的例子都收為己用,說成是支持我方所說「才比德重要」的證據; 我方實無需死守在什麼「道德只是為群體生存服務」這種眨德褒才的脆弱防線上了。


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[> [> 今次輸，非戰之罪。 -- 費格遜(熊仔), 05:59:23 12/05/02 Thu

今次辨論題目:才比德重要，九濟堂抽中係正方，係比較難發揮，反方(荃濟)會有較多point去反駁正方(九濟堂)，所以輸，非戰之罪。另外，辨論員的表現，我不該下定論，因為我沒有去睇。我知道各位己經盡力，不要介懷今次的落敗。


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