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Date Posted: 04:48:54 06/26/02 Wed
Author: Lafaux
Subject: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question.
Study Links Spanking to Aggression
By DAVID CRARY
The Associated Press
NEW YORK (AP) - After analyzing six decades of expert research on corporal punishment, a psychologist says parents who spank their children risk causing long-term harm that outweighs the short-term benefit of instant obedience.
The psychologist, Elizabeth Gershoff, found links between spanking and 10 negative behaviors or experiences, including aggression, anti-social behavior and mental health problems. The one positive result of spanking that she identified was quick compliance with parental demands.
``Americans need to re-evaluate why we believe it is reasonable to hit young, vulnerable children, when it is against the law to hit other adults, prisoners, and even animals,'' Gershoff writes in the new edition of the American Psychological Association's bimonthly journal.
Her analysis, one of the most comprehensive ever on the topic of spanking in America, was accompanied in the Psychological Bulletin by a critique from three other psychologists.
They defend mild to moderate spanking as a viable disciplinary option, especially for children 2 to 6, but advise parents with abusive tendencies to avoid spanking altogether.
Gershoff, a researcher at Columbia University's National Center for Children in Poverty, spent five years on her project, analyzing 88 studies of corporal punishment conducted since 1938. The studies tracked both the short- and long-term effects of spanking on children.
Gershoff stopped short of endorsing a legal ban on parental corporal punishment, saying the United States was unlikely to emulate a group of European countries in taking that step. However, she urged parents who spank to reconsider their options.
``When they're in a situation where they're considering spanking, think of something else to do - leave the room, count to 10, and come back again,'' Gershoff said in an interview Tuesday. ``The risk is just too great.''
Several major national organizations, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, have taken an official stand against corporal punishment by parents. The psychological association has not taken a stance, though it is on record opposing corporal punishment at schools and other institutions.
Robert Larzelere, a psychology professor at the Nebraska Medical Center, was one of the three experts critiquing Gershoff's findings. He noted that while she found links between spanking and negative behaviors, she did not assert categorically that spanking caused those behaviors.
Larzelere, in an interview, said he remains convinced that mild, non-abusive spanking can be an effective reinforcement of nonphysical disciplinary methods, particularly in dealing with defiant 2- to 6-year-olds. He shared concerns about spanking that is too severe or too frequent.
Gershoff cautioned that her findings do not imply that all children who are spanked turn out to be aggressive or delinquent. But she contended that corporal punishment, on its own, does not teach children right from wrong and may not deter them from misbehaving when their parents are absent.
``Until researchers, clinicians, and parents can definitively demonstrate the presence of positive effects of corporal punishment, including effectiveness in halting future misbehavior, not just the absence of negative effects, we as psychologists can not responsibly recommend its use,'' Gershoff wrote.
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I wasn't much of a spanker, swatted a few Toddlers hands when something serious was going on, but if I had it to do over again I would try to eliminate that. I believe this study has a lot of valid points. -- Margie, 11:12:59 06/27/02 Thu
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Well, Margie, I got my share of spankings, and look how I turned out. Anti-social, mean and ornery as all get out. Am I grateful for being disciplined in such a way? Hell no! I don't think that spanking is the answer to solving behavior problems. -- Lafaux, 17:27:21 06/27/02 Thu
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Well being a rotten kid I got my fair share of spankings but I don't believe in it either, however I got plenty of threatening mileage out of those oramge race tracks and after the boys got huge (6'1" and 6'3") I got plenty of mileage out of my broom.... -- Candy, 06:32:42 06/29/02 Sat
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My five siblings and I got spanked with switches and belts, but we never hated our parents for it and we've all come out well adjusted. I hardly ever discipline my kids because they're pretty cool, but I do swat the back of a big teenaged head and a tiny rear end on the rare occasions they've just really fudged up. -- Joy, 10:24:34 07/01/02 Mon
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Re: My five siblings and I got spanked with switches and belts, but we never hated our parents for it and we've all come out well adjusted. I hardly ever discipline my kids because they're pretty cool, but I do swat the back of a big teenaged head and a tiny rear end on the rare occasions they've just really fudged up. -- TINA, 10:37:25 10/18/05 Tue
I HAVE FIVE KIDS 4 GIRLS 13 5 4 3 AND 1 BOY 2 AND IF THEY DONT BEHAVE NO MATTER WERE WE ARE I SPANK THERE BEHINDS WITH MY WOODEN HAIRBRUSH AND MY 13 YEAR OLD WHENEVER SHE BABBYSITTS SHE HAS ARE PERMISSION TO USE HER WOODEN HAIRBRUSH ON THERE BARE BEHIND IF THEY DONT BEHAVE
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Re: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question. -- Daryl, 10:03:52 11/30/02 Sat
i grew up in the caribbean and i got spanked when i was little and look how i turned out. I'm a fine young man and i think it would be good for the common good. What if your child looks you in the face in public and tells you to F#@! off, what would you do? Just for arguement, what if he was 9yrs. old
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Re: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question. -- Justin, 11:21:16 12/14/04 Tue
I am the father of twin girls, age four, and they are definetely spanked when necessary...I will take down their pants, put them over my knee and give them up to twelve hard smacks on their bare bottom...I do not always use spanking, but when their behavior warrants it, I will tell them to get to their room for a spanking...they are generally well behaved, and know that if certain misbehaviors will bring about their bottoms being spanked...When they get to be five or six I will not hesitate to spank them with a hairbrush or spatuala while they are over my knee...the twins know that if they misbehave, they will be disciplined, and I believe that spanking works...
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Re: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question. -- George, 15:57:32 01/13/05 Thu
I have 4 small kids like you do, ages 3-8, and I have similar views on spanking. We do use a light leather whip instead of our hands, because we feel that hands are for loving not punishing. We used to use a belt, but belts can be heavy and may leave a bruise, which I feel is abusive. We always whip the kids naked, so it stings on bare skin but doesn't leave a mark.
Our procedure is when they kids really misbehave after being warned, we take off their clothes and underwear while explaining what they did wrong and that they are going to be punished. We don't whip them very hard because I would rather give them a long spanking than a hard spanking. They get between 10-30 lashes depending on their age and what they did. I usually whip their bottoms, back of legs and back. It never leaves a bruise or mark, just redness.
We rarely have to spank, and our kids are very well behaved. I think our approach to discipline has been effective.
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Spanking -- Emma (regular), 15:17:30 05/17/07 Thu
I agree, We have 2 sons one is a 14 year old and the other is an 8 year old and what we do is give a warning by yelling and then if they do it again they get whipped with a belt 5-10 times. It works.
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Re: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question. -- Leslie, 08:29:46 01/10/04 Sat
These study's tend to say "not all children..." when they refer to the effects of spanking children. I think that the issue should not be so much the spanking, as it is the parents. I think we take so much away from "Natural Parenting" now, and mix in so much "tolerence" and "no-physical contact" that our parenting skills are actually getting worse! More and more kids now are rebelling, and doing really stupid things starting at really young ages. There is no more "respect" for your elders. I think the major cause of this is the lack of fear of your parents. Why the lack of fear? Because if you limit your dicipline to time-outs and groundings, you're not really doing much at all. You can't force a kid to be quiet without taping their mouth shut. A child may not want their toy to be taken away, but it doesn't make much of a difference because they'll get it back. These forms of dicipline are effective for some things, but are also very vunerable to manipulation (sometimes the child's favorite game!). Spanking, in my book, is a necessity. I see the effects on my peers who have NOT been spanked compared to my behaviour. I am 17, and was spanked when neccisary when I was a younger child. That coupled with great communication between my mother keeps me respectful and loving toward her and others even now. Imagine never having to ground your teen-ager, or worry about where they are or if they are lying. Sure, they'll still be teenagers and argue with you when they get mad enough, their kids. But there is a huge difference between minor disobediance and emotional shows, and lying, blatant disrespect and harmfull disobediance. I can not believe that spanking done correctly is the cause of violent acting out or deep emotional problems. I believe just the opposite. That the violence and other behavioural issues are the product of LACK in dicipline, communication, and love. Parents just don't know how to parent anymore, and as a result, children have no respect, are hurting others, lack morals and communication skills, end up ignorant and emotionally unstable. They are a product of tolerance and no physical contact. Also, comparing the hitting of children to animals and other adults is invalid, because the creatures in question are very much so different from eachother, and the reasons and outcome of hitting a dog or a man on the street would be very different from hitting a child. It's not the hitting that should be in question, it is the heart attitude and reason behind it that matters.
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Parenting forum parents baby message board -- Parenting forum, 21:05:14 01/04/05 Tue
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Re: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question. -- Maricel G. Visaya, 23:58:08 11/16/04 Tue
>Study Links Spanking to Aggression
>
>By DAVID CRARY
>The Associated Press
>
>NEW YORK (AP) - After analyzing six decades of expert
>research on corporal punishment, a psychologist says
>parents who spank their children risk causing
>long-term harm that outweighs the short-term benefit
>of instant obedience.
>
>The psychologist, Elizabeth Gershoff, found links
>between spanking and 10 negative behaviors or
>experiences, including aggression, anti-social
>behavior and mental health problems. The one positive
>result of spanking that she identified was quick
>compliance with parental demands.
>
>``Americans need to re-evaluate why we believe it is
>reasonable to hit young, vulnerable children, when it
>is against the law to hit other adults, prisoners, and
>even animals,'' Gershoff writes in the new edition of
>the American Psychological Association's bimonthly
>journal.
>
>Her analysis, one of the most comprehensive ever on
>the topic of spanking in America, was accompanied in
>the Psychological Bulletin by a critique from three
>other psychologists.
>
>They defend mild to moderate spanking as a viable
>disciplinary option, especially for children 2 to 6,
>but advise parents with abusive tendencies to avoid
>spanking altogether.
>
>Gershoff, a researcher at Columbia University's
>National Center for Children in Poverty, spent five
>years on her project, analyzing 88 studies of corporal
>punishment conducted since 1938. The studies tracked
>both the short- and long-term effects of spanking on
>children.
>
>Gershoff stopped short of endorsing a legal ban on
>parental corporal punishment, saying the United States
>was unlikely to emulate a group of European countries
>in taking that step. However, she urged parents who
>spank to reconsider their options.
>
>``When they're in a situation where they're
>considering spanking, think of something else to do -
>leave the room, count to 10, and come back again,''
>Gershoff said in an interview Tuesday. ``The risk is
>just too great.''
>
>Several major national organizations, including the
>American Academy of Pediatrics, have taken an official
>stand against corporal punishment by parents. The
>psychological association has not taken a stance,
>though it is on record opposing corporal punishment at
>schools and other institutions.
>
>Robert Larzelere, a psychology professor at the
>Nebraska Medical Center, was one of the three experts
>critiquing Gershoff's findings. He noted that while
>she found links between spanking and negative
>behaviors, she did not assert categorically that
>spanking caused those behaviors.
>
>Larzelere, in an interview, said he remains convinced
>that mild, non-abusive spanking can be an effective
>reinforcement of nonphysical disciplinary methods,
>particularly in dealing with defiant 2- to
>6-year-olds. He shared concerns about spanking that is
>too severe or too frequent.
>
>Gershoff cautioned that her findings do not imply that
>all children who are spanked turn out to be aggressive
>or delinquent. But she contended that corporal
>punishment, on its own, does not teach children right
>from wrong and may not deter them from misbehaving
>when their parents are absent.
>
>``Until researchers, clinicians, and parents can
>definitively demonstrate the presence of positive
>effects of corporal punishment, including
>effectiveness in halting future misbehavior, not just
>the absence of negative effects, we as psychologists
>can not responsibly recommend its use,'' Gershoff
>wrote.
I think your observation is very accurate
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Re: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question. -- Molly g., 12:59:45 01/12/05 Wed
>>Study Links Spanking to Aggression
>>
>>By DAVID CRARY
>>The Associated Press
>>
>>NEW YORK (AP) - After analyzing six decades of expert
>>research on corporal punishment, a psychologist says
>>parents who spank their children risk causing
>>long-term harm that outweighs the short-term benefit
>>of instant obedience.
>>
>>The psychologist, Elizabeth Gershoff, found links
>>between spanking and 10 negative behaviors or
>>experiences, including aggression, anti-social
>>behavior and mental health problems. The one positive
>>result of spanking that she identified was quick
>>compliance with parental demands.
>>
>>``Americans need to re-evaluate why we believe it is
>>reasonable to hit young, vulnerable children, when it
>>is against the law to hit other adults, prisoners, and
>>even animals,'' Gershoff writes in the new edition of
>>the American Psychological Association's bimonthly
>>journal.
>>
>>Her analysis, one of the most comprehensive ever on
>>the topic of spanking in America, was accompanied in
>>the Psychological Bulletin by a critique from three
>>other psychologists.
>>
>>They defend mild to moderate spanking as a viable
>>disciplinary option, especially for children 2 to 6,
>>but advise parents with abusive tendencies to avoid
>>spanking altogether.
>>
>>Gershoff, a researcher at Columbia University's
>>National Center for Children in Poverty, spent five
>>years on her project, analyzing 88 studies of corporal
>>punishment conducted since 1938. The studies tracked
>>both the short- and long-term effects of spanking on
>>children.
>>
>>Gershoff stopped short of endorsing a legal ban on
>>parental corporal punishment, saying the United States
>>was unlikely to emulate a group of European countries
>>in taking that step. However, she urged parents who
>>spank to reconsider their options.
>>
>>``When they're in a situation where they're
>>considering spanking, think of something else to do -
>>leave the room, count to 10, and come back again,''
>>Gershoff said in an interview Tuesday. ``The risk is
>>just too great.''
>>
>>Several major national organizations, including the
>>American Academy of Pediatrics, have taken an official
>>stand against corporal punishment by parents. The
>>psychological association has not taken a stance,
>>though it is on record opposing corporal punishment at
>>schools and other institutions.
>>
>>Robert Larzelere, a psychology professor at the
>>Nebraska Medical Center, was one of the three experts
>>critiquing Gershoff's findings. He noted that while
>>she found links between spanking and negative
>>behaviors, she did not assert categorically that
>>spanking caused those behaviors.
>>
>>Larzelere, in an interview, said he remains convinced
>>that mild, non-abusive spanking can be an effective
>>reinforcement of nonphysical disciplinary methods,
>>particularly in dealing with defiant 2- to
>>6-year-olds. He shared concerns about spanking that is
>>too severe or too frequent.
>>
>>Gershoff cautioned that her findings do not imply that
>>all children who are spanked turn out to be aggressive
>>or delinquent. But she contended that corporal
>>punishment, on its own, does not teach children right
>>from wrong and may not deter them from misbehaving
>>when their parents are absent.
>>
>>``Until researchers, clinicians, and parents can
>>definitively demonstrate the presence of positive
>>effects of corporal punishment, including
>>effectiveness in halting future misbehavior, not just
>>the absence of negative effects, we as psychologists
>>can not responsibly recommend its use,'' Gershoff
>>wrote.
>I think your observation is very accurate
mild spanking can not harm a child in any way. i hate the fact that everyone is saying that corporal punishment is abuse. the law for abuse is that if it leaves a mark for over 24 hours it can be called abuse. if a parent uses spanking correctly it can be very effective. when i say use it correctly i mean tell the child what they have done and this is the consequence that comes with that action. let them know what they have done wrong. have them tell you what they did wrong. never hit your child in the face or anywhere else other than the bottom when spanking. you can even put it with another discipline technique. all im saying that corporal punishment and real child abuse are very different.
p.s. a child should never be spanked out of anger. if you think that you are not able to control your anger than please use another discipline technique.
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Re: To Spank Or Not To Spank? (Your child that is) That Is The Question. -- Anomimous (sp?), 14:40:57 05/03/06 Wed
I think that the total degrading of behaviour amoungstr teh young is because there are too many "studys" and legal cases going against spanking!
when i have kids i will not hesitate to spank them when they misbehave seriously enough to warrent it. in private with my bare hand on their bare bottom.
i dont approve of impliments apart form for older childern and then only for very extreme misbehaviour such as stealing then the back of a hairbrush should be sufficant.
I would allways wait untill i had calmed down before spanking and not scold and shoult, but clearly tell them what tehy have doen wrong
all the agancys that are prosicuting people for dicapling trheir kids should get soem commen sence and concentratre on prosucuting those who beat their chjildren excessivly, or hit them in the face and those who neglect them totaly
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