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Date Posted: 10:11:14 04/29/02 Mon
Author: CC
Subject: Re: private school
In reply to: ladyday 's message, "You think the Republicans are sending their kids to public school? hahahaha, I think not! And re: your energy ideas, better mileage cars, etc.....don't even try it, I know what you drive, LOL! Although how it runs with that stupid Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on the back I'll never know!" on 09:41:35 04/29/02 Mon

I think her point about private school is that Republicans want to give poor children the opportunity to attend, too. Straying from conventional party lines, I am not sure that is a good idea. Once public money goes into private schools, the government will start interfering with the private school programs, and screw it all up. Also, that puts a bunch of project thugs in private school, the very reason many parents to their kids to private school-to get away from the thugs. I went to a school where about 60% of students were poor. Most of them were also thugs who were not interested in learning. It is a stereotype, but I think it is often true. Many poorer families do not encourage their children in their education, because they themselves do not value education. That is why many are poor in the first place. That is something that cannot be fixed by the government. It really is all up to the parents how a child succeeds in education. If a parent encourages them and also works to educate them, the child will be more successful. If a parent does not care how their child does academically, he child will not care. Private school or more moeny for education will not fix that.

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[> [> [> Breaking the cycle requires that one have an educational system worth valuing. Poor inner city kids generally don't get that, nor did their parents before them. It sounds to me like you are blaming the victim and IMO it's all about opportunity. As in "the land of". But we know who has the real opportunities in this country. And it has nothing to do with one's party affiliation. It's called "show me the money". -- ladyday, 12:07:25 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Yeah! What ladyday said! -- Lafaux, 12:57:50 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Yes, yes, yes Ladyday! -- Tf, 14:58:44 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> Well, if parents who care nothing about their children's education or success is blaming the victim, then you bet your ass that is what I am doing! The school I went to was no inner city school, nor was it poor. It got more funding than normal, because it had one of the best football teams in the state. The education was decent, and the school had plenty of resources. A lot of the kids just did not want to learn. -- CC, 20:00:04 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> Breaking the Cycle also requires more than just improved educational opportunities. What the hell good is a strong education if the only employment opportunities available are minimum wage or drug dealing? I faced that dilemma all the time at my old job: how to tell a kid "stay in school" when he could start running drugs at an early age, have prestige AND $$$. But I'm gonna tell him get that diploma or GED so you can work at Mickey D's? Yeah right! It's a HUGE picture that needs fixing, not just one small area. Supply and demand, cause and effect, which came first: the junkie or the pimp? -- ladyday, 20:44:19 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> I am not quite sure I understand what your point is. What I was discussing was education, and why I think the voucher system is not realistic. If you are talking about after high school, grants and loans are available, and provide enough money to pay living expenses if you attend a junior college. Hell, I did it. I left home at 16, got my diploma through home-schooling, and worked part-time, borrowed money, and went through college. -- CC, 20:52:19 04/29/02 Mon


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> I went to Thug Highschool too, CC. Left at 16 after taking the profiency test(CA). One thing I did have was a mother who was getting her teaching credential at the time. So I had an example of how important education was. Not everyone does. -- Tf, 09:56:54 04/30/02 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Tf, that is exactly my point. A lot of it depends on the parents. The government cannot force parents to be good parents. It is up to the parents, and that is why I do think so many kids do so poorly academically. The only other thing I can think for other people to help is the mentoring program. The voucher system will not work, unless those who useit really want to take advantage of it. -- CC, 11:22:51 04/30/02 Tue


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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I put below why I don't think the voucher system will work. Agree on mentoring. A lot of kids are inspired by one good teacher or role model. My only point above was that not all parents are aware of how important education is. They've been to the same crappy schools their kids go to where no one seems to care. A lot of a child's world is where they live. They see the opportunities available in their world. -- Tf, 13:08:35 04/30/02 Tue


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[> [> [> CC, the reason I'm not for vouchers is different than yours...clk -- Tf, 15:26:10 04/29/02 Mon

>>I see the voucher system as a 'Let them eat cake' kind of deal. It looks good to the naked eye, but as Ladyday pointed out, money talks. If there isn't enough room for both voucher students and students with $$$$ parents, I don't see voucher students getting in. They'll be right back at the public schools, which will then have even less money.


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