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[> [> [> [> [> [> Candy, I thought Todd was as goofy as usual in those scenes. But, I loved, loved his expression when he saw Blair had come back. Now that's the kind of look that made me a Todd/T&B fan. ITA, the ONLY reason Todd would ever consider going back to Teugh, is because he can't have Blair. That's all I was hoping for, so, I'm happy...yes I've lowered my standards. LOL -- Aipar, 15:58:46 05/17/02 Fri

>IMCO Todd was as goofy as ever (all that hopping and
>jumping around was ridiculous) and TeaUGH??...ACK!!!
>FL really needs to see an ear, NOSE, and throat
>specialist. Anyhoo, I was less than impressed and
>wasn't sure WTF until Todd told her to get out and
>don't come back <*~~no goof)I know T&B are over (at
>least for now) but I also know that even if Todd goes
>off with the hag it will only be because TeaUGH will
>take him no matter what (still wanting the dick I'm
>sure), and Blair (had her fair share and TeaUGH's
>too...LOL) won't!! (kind of like these two characters
>respective fans)

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> RH with KDP=goof..RH with FL=energized....HELLO!! To funny, nothing I like better than hypocrisy...damn this is making my day!! -- Candy, 16:04:41 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I've been waiting for the RH with FL=no goof hypocrisy since the day I found out she would be back. They didn't disappoint! At least I can admit when DTG and Blair share a scene.... -- Aipar, 16:14:35 05/17/02 Fri

RH ROCKED in the last scene with KdP. I don't say THAT a lot, so, it means something!

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I laid my eyes on the Manning Portrait, today, and I heard the trumpets of the heavens and saw Santa Blarina sitting on the LazyBoy. Therefore my opinion has been transformed into fact which is that Todd was not Goofy with Tea in the last half of the show. He was only Goofy when he tried to explain how much he loved Blair. That's a fact, that's the divine truth. Not spin, but truth and fact. -- An Enlightened Viewer Chock Full of Facts and Truth, 17:10:22 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> OH, Ms. Nuts! You do have your facts right. Todd got damn good and serious when he told Tea to get out! Damn serious! -- Lafaux, 08:39:15 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Aipar, Just remember why Todd was with Tea in the first place. It was because he couldn't have Blair. They had that big blow up, and then she went into a coma. The rest is Trollian history. When Todd and Tea left Llanview together two years ago, he had accepted a life of utter misery with her. TeUGH is his punishment when he is a bad boy. -- Lafaux, 08:33:43 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I remember Lafaux, all too vividly.. -- Aipar, 12:19:48 05/19/02 Sun

The Troll Stroll spoke volumes of what Todd's mindset was when he was 'with' Teugh. When he is miserable, has lost everything and has NO hope is when he goes to her. I've had NO sympathy for Todd since October. That all changed though the minute Miss ME started lecturing him within minutes of barging into his life unwanted and unwelcomed.

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[> [> [> [> [> To be fair ladyday BOTH T&Bers and TnTers are spinning. And amazingly GT must have done something right since both sides seem to like it. But Monday is another day. -- Lou, 14:45:18 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Lou, I have seen no spin on our part. All I have seen is fact. -- CC, 15:33:23 05/17/02 Fri

>eom

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> You mean GOD is on your side? LOL OK... -- Lou, 15:56:17 05/17/02 Fri

Your couple are the Messiah Mannings (thanks Cabbie) so it follows that all their supporters see would be the GOSPEL truth... while we little devils who perfer the more explosive TnT MUST be spinning.

Our perceptions obviously differ totally CC, but I refuse to concede that what you see is TRUTH and what I see is delusional. That is not only erroneous but insulting.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well, I hope God is on my side, but I hope he is not concerned about a soap opera couple. HTF did I insult you? -- CC, 16:14:52 05/17/02 Fri

>Your couple are the Messiah Mannings (thanks Cabbie)
>so it follows that all their supporters see would be
>the GOSPEL truth... while we little devils who perfer
>the more explosive TnT MUST be spinning.
>
>Our perceptions obviously differ totally CC, but I
>refuse to concede that what you see is TRUTH and what
>I see is delusional. That is not only erroneous but
>insulting.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I think Ms. Lou explained herself perfectly. What you call "fact" is actually "spinning." Your view is no more "fact" than Lou's view. Is that sufficient explanation or do you need more? -- Lou's Secretary, 16:23:39 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Thanks Lou's Secretary. -- Lou, 16:30:57 05/17/02 Fri

That's it, exactly.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> You're very welcome, Ms. Lou. ..... -- Lou's Secretary, 16:43:47 05/17/02 Fri

I'm currently doing a study on the transformation of "opinion" into "fact" via divine light. It's quite fascinating and happens mostly to people who lay eyes on the Messiah Manning Portrait. Some have sworn that angelic visions appear on Blair's face. People who reside in small towns have taken to calling Blair, La Santa Blarina.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Yes,you do, but -- CC, 07:47:46 05/18/02 Sat

What you need to explain to me is not what Lou said, but what I said, since you obviously know what I said, and apparently, what I said is not I thought I said. I said I have seen. I do not look at every single post made by every single T&Ber. I did not even have time yesterday to look at many. I just skimmed most. It is just like a couple weeks ago at MD, when I told Cabbie I have not seen any intellectuall superiority posts on Totally Toddian. I did not deny they existed. I asked her to point them out to me, so I would know what she was talking about.

Obviously, we have two totally different ideas of spin. It appears to me that spin to you means speculation. What I was saying was I saw facts about what he said. The rest is speculation based on fact. Saying he wanted Tea out and assuming he meant that is fact-based speculation. A lot of what I have seen on the side of TnTers is also speculation, not spin(not my definition of spin), but some of it has been spin. To me, "spin" is turning one fact into some other fact through some weird and twisted use of logic. For example, turning "I liked RH's performance today" into "TNT3 will be and Todd does not love Blair." In my definition of spin, that is what spin is. It is not a fact-based specualtion. Sorry, Lou, but you do have to break it down for me, if you really feel the need, on how that is insulting.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> OK CC Click... -- Lou, 08:17:54 05/18/02 Sat

You claim that your position was based on fact. You claim that for yourself. I do not. My claim is that my perception of the scenes is as valid as yours and just as apt to be the true one as yours is.

Do you base your perception of the scenes in question entirely on the dialog and completely ignore how the actors portrayed the scene? Surely what we are discussing here is our individual perceptions of how the actors presented the words to US, the audience. That is subjective, open to interpretation and as such neither of us can claim that our perception is the absoulte factual one.

When you claim that YOUR perception was based on fact and mine was based on spin, you intimate that my perceptions are delusional and yours are perfect in every way. THAT is as insulting to me as it is patently false.

As for TnT 3 will be... that is hopeful spin, wishful thinking, whatever you want to call it and I have no problem whatsoever in saying that. I also perceive that Todd is incapable of real love, or if he is capable of feeling that emotion he is emotionally crippled and incapable of demonstrating that in a way that is universally acceptable to most of humanity. T�a threw that in his face yesterday... and she hit the mark...that's how I perceived the scenes.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> What I see on my television is fact. Todd did say those things. If saying Todd said those things are insulting, well sorry if the writing insults you. -- CC, 13:36:04 05/18/02 Sat

>You claim that your position was based on fact. You
>claim that for yourself. I do not. My claim is that
>my perception of the scenes is as valid as yours and
>just as apt to be the true one as yours is.
>
>Do you base your perception of the scenes in question
>entirely on the dialog and completely ignore how the
>actors portrayed the scene? Surely what we are
>discussing here is our individual perceptions of how
>the actors presented the words to US, the audience.
>That is subjective, open to interpretation and as such
>neither of us can claim that our perception is the
>absoulte factual one.
>
>When you claim that YOUR perception was based on fact
>and mine was based on spin, you intimate that my
>perceptions are delusional and yours are perfect in
>every way. THAT is as insulting to me as it is
>patently false.
>
>As for TnT 3 will be... that is hopeful spin, wishful
>thinking, whatever you want to call it and I have no
>problem whatsoever in saying that. I also perceive
>that Todd is incapable of real love, or if he is
>capable of feeling that emotion he is emotionally
>crippled and incapable of demonstrating that in a way
>that is universally acceptable to most of humanity.
>T�a threw that in his face yesterday... and she hit
>the mark...that's how I perceived the scenes.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Fact is... -- Lou, 17:00:49 05/18/02 Sat

I'm tired of trying to explain something to you that was self evident 8 posts ago.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I am tired of explaining what I said too. I though I made myself perfectly clear in the post above. -- CC, 07:51:04 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> I think that they're hoping they can shut us all up, buy yammering at us until we get a fatal case of carpal tunnal, trying to explain to those who would not even WANT to understand. It's not worth it, CC. -- OTWB, 11:35:21 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Your are right, OTWB. -- CC, 17:23:50 05/19/02 Sun

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> apparently, your view of spin is totally different than mine, just as you're saying my view of fact is different. What I have seen myself so far is going by what Todd actually said and did. -- CC, 20:12:31 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> No, You are going by what you PERCEIVED Todd said and did. I perceived it differently than you. -- Lou, 09:02:02 05/18/02 Sat

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Fact: Todd said and did certain things. Speculation: saying what you think Todd meant by the things he said and did. Spin: saying you like RH's acting ,meaning he loves working with FL, which means TnT3 will be, and Todd won't love Blair since he loves acting with FL.And... -- CC, 13:44:48 05/18/02 Sat

Fact: I did not say what I say is fact just because I say it, and what you say is spin, just because it is you saying it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> Some thing HAVE to remain static, or most stories are pointless, at least in terms of soap opera. -- OTWB, 14:27:13 05/19/02 Sun

>Fact: I did not say what I say is fact just because I
>say it, and what you say is spin, just because it is
>you saying it.

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Well CC, I can kind of see their POV it does show growth on Todd's part, he just threw her out this time, no shoes, no snow, no nottin!! -- Candy, 15:56:27 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> [> [> LOL..talk about zippo pride. Nobody asked her junky butt to barge in uninvited. She deserved whatever Todd dished out! I am sure this will only whet her appitite to try and "fix" Todd...by turning him into Tommy boy! VTW -- VTW, 16:03:31 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> [> Lou, I absolutely meant that there was stuff today for both sides to spin.......and neither side has disapointed me. -- ladyday, 18:27:46 05/17/02 Fri

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[> [> [> [> [> Llanviewer, Do not! I repeat. Do not fall for TeUGH's propping of Todd and Blair as a couple destined to be together. That's when the furry mamal is most dangerous! It's not the first time that she's acknowledged the truth about T&B, but given the opportunity, she'll gnaw her way into Todd's life, and start whispering venomous assaults about Blair in Todd's rather generous ears. -- Lafaux, 21:26:53 05/17/02 Fri

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