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Date Posted: 14:43:22 03/09/02 Sat
Author: Buffy's vampire
Subject: Liberals and liberals are opposite fish in the pond, Don
In reply to: Don 's message, "Can the same people be Liberals and Facists?" on 13:02:12 03/09/02 Sat

>I've always been under the impression that Liberal and
>Facists were about 180 degrees apart from each other
>on every issue. Here in the USA, the right-wing side
>of the Republican Party has done a very good job of
>making the word "Liberal" an epithet. Call someone a
>Liberal and you might as well say that they want to
>have the government make all your decisions for you.
>Which is really rather silly given that Liberalism --
>at least the 19th Century variety associated with the
>Abolitionist movement -- helped to bring the
>Republican Party into existance. Liberalism brought
>us improvements in educational policy, gave women and
>ex-slaves the right to vote, and was very much
>involved with defeating the Nazi Facists in the 40's
>and founding the United Nations. So I've never been
>quite certain why anyone would think being a Liberal
>is bad.
>
>Facists, on the other hand, have been associated with
>restricting individual liberty, suppressing freedoms
>most of us take for granted here, and generally
>haven't done anything well with the possible exception
>of creating efficient military organizations. Oh and
>in Italy, Mussolini's Facists made the trains run on
>time.

Exactly, Don. One of the anomalies of Oz politics is the disregard for political theatre. Here we 'don' strange clothing as we enter the political arena. Liberals with a capital L are conservative, whether wet or dry, [dry being our term for economic rationalists] and some are Fascist. They shout that they are true liberals, as in the liberalism of Gladstone, but they are by their own definition, either conservative or Fascist.
The mob in Canberra are on par with the Deep South Conservatives of the USA [ala Cheney, Dubya, even David Duke] while the so-called Australian Labor members are actually middle of the road conservatives.
The True Left in Oz are to be found among the Socialist Alliance, Democratic Socialist Party and so forth.
Blair's Labour Govt is considered by us Leftists to be quite conservative as they do not represent the working class any more.
Unforunately for the American scene, the Left has vanished as a political force.
Hope this enunciation is a bit clearer as to the loco situ in Oz.
Seeya Don!

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