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Date Posted: 05:43:32 05/21/99 Fri
Author: daniel
Subject: Re: time & foreknowledge (unaswered)
In reply to: Kevin 's message, "Re: time & foreknowledge" on 20:09:30 05/20/99 Thu


> Beep beep, back up the truck. You can't have it both
> ways. Either God is trapped in our timeline or He is
> not. I maintain He is not. Are you now agreeing with
> me?
>

It is this simple.

<--Eternity Past---Creation-X---NOW---Eternity Future-->
God has no beginning.
Our bginnning is marked X.

Both God and man are bound by X.

The number 1 evidence that you can spaek too to prove that God is outside of time and that he knows the future is "the Theory of Relativity"?

Certainly the bible would shed light on such a critical aspect of God's character.

I have addressed the translation of the words "time", and "earth" with little or no response from you. I have addressed the issues of failed prophecy, the fact that God is not immutable, and I have brought up the notion that Greek mnysticism has poisoned Christianity.

You have not addressed any of the points I have made.
>
> > I am trying to program the YEC's to understand that
> > their position is solid not only as it relates to
> > origins but that literalism is quite necessary to
> > understand difficult or problematic passages. When
> I
> > told the director of RMCF about the concept of God
> > repenting and that he changes his mind, he nearly
> > flipped. But that is only because of the greek
> > mysticism that invaded popular christian teachers
> like
> > Augustine. He boldly proclaimed that it was
> necessary
> > to know the scriptures based on Platonic
> Rationalism.
> > Ouch! You too have been bitten.
> >
>
> The Work of God disagrees. I am not going to debate
> YEC with you.
>

The above statement is the true OEC hermeneutic.

>
> > That is a very nice story. But exactly where do you
> > find scriptural reference to support your claim?
> > The above sounds like a very mass escoteric belief.
> >
>
> sigh
>
> >
> > As I said before, you can't come up with one.
> >
> > You are doomed to failure because it will be
> > impossible to remain consistent.
> >
> > Whether you agree with my approach or not, it is
> > consistent.
> >
> > Daniel
>
> sigh
>
> I am tired. Specifically, where have I failed in my
> latest proposal to remain consistent combining the
> Work and the Word?

Please provide scitpural support as to the failed prophecies of Daniel, Jonah, and Jesus.

70week Prophecy
Ninevah not destroyed
This Generation not passing
Some standing not tasting death

Explain why Jesus and Peter used the Flood story as one that aligns with a "global" judgment and destruction.

Please explain why the 1st Use rule and Frequency Rule, Redaction Criticism, , Historical Criticism and Literary Criticism cannot be applied to the use of "Earth" in the first eight chapters of the bible as it relates to the desired purpose of the flood.

Explain why Prayer is effective or ineffective.

Explain the passage:

Rom 11:20-21
20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear.
21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
(NKJ)

I could on for an hour. The point is that you cannot answer these questions. If you can please do so. Understanding "The Plot" of the bible and necessary literalism will bring to a crystal clear view about the purpose of the bible. That purpose does not allow for OEC.

I would prefer being able to answer all the above, then to have to hope and wait for science to figure it out.

Daniel

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