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Subject: Universal Salvation vs. Limited Atonement Author: Sim [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 21:39:59 08/18/09 Tue In reply to: JulPisacane 's message, "Here come two cents ( mine)" on 18:02:29 08/16/09 Sun Jesus died to fulfill the law that requires a "death" for every sin, (wages of sin is death) Jesu didn't come to "condemn the world" "BUT" that the world through him "MIGHT BE" saved, not "would be saved". Where people get mixed up, Universalist/Calvinist expecially, is thinking that Jesus took away "SIN", he didn't, he took away the "LAW", nailing it to his cross, This opened the door that we "MIGHT BE" saved without having to die as the law requires. "OUR SIN" still exist until we "Crucify the body of sin", the "life of the flesh is in the "blood", when we become willing to "Sacrifice" the "life of the flesh" (blood) for the "SPIRIT", "OUR SIN" is taken away, no shedd blood, no remission of sin, we have to make a "blood sacrifice/offering" just as Jesus did, to "Conform to his image". Le 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and.... I have given it to you..... upon the altar..... to make an atonement for your souls:..... for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. The "Day of Atonement" a "Scapegoat" (Jesus) and a "Goat for the people" (body of sin) had to be sacrificed before "Atonement" was "complete", Either "goat" (Jesus/body of sin) sacrificed without the other "goat" will not save, As Paul said, burning his body without "charity" (love/God) was worthless, Both "goats" have to be sacrificed before your sins are "taken away". [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

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[> [> Subject: Hi Sim Author: dori [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 22:09:45 08/18/09 Tue Nice to see you here, too. I'm kind of keeping an eye on Murray's next response to Julie and you before I just block him from posting here. He seems more intent on continuing an argument that only he is participating in than to actually talk about the subject at hand. Kind of reminds me of R1, doesn't it you? Good ol Mountainman II comes to mind. *-) Did you retire again or are they still working you overtime?

[> [> [> Subject: Re-TARTED Author: Sim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 07:18:28 08/19/09 Wed Did you retire again or are "they" still working you overtime? "they", is now "Barb", I've been Remodeling the kitchen, "SENSE" I'm retired, make's "sense" to her but not a "retart" like me. LOL. I've made one trip since January, they've called wanting me to come back, but my "honeydo list" keeps me busy here at the house and I don't need the money, I must be gettng "old", it seems the less I have to do with people, the happier I am, I suppose becoming "Grumpy" is just around the corner. lol Or maybe I've finally settled into "Retirement mode", recon???

[> [> [> [> Subject: Retirement is a frame of mind... grin Author: dori [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:11:45 08/19/09 Wed I think I retired 20 years ago. *-) How was vacation Bible School this summer?

[> [> [> Subject: Hey, Sim... I just thought of something.... Author: dori [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 10:04:14 08/19/09 Wed I'll be pretty close to where you live in October. I'm coming over to Clemmons, NC (near Winston-Salem) to the National Shiba Inu dog show and Charlie and I will come back by way of Gatlinburg. Any sites you know of around there we shouldn't miss?

[> [> [> [> Subject: Tour Guide, lol Author: Sim [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 09:31:31 08/20/09 Thu How was vacation Bible School this summer? We had quiet a few kids this year, It runs in "cycles", peaking when one generation grows up and start having kids and their kids become old enough to start coming, it's all tied to the Baby boomer generation, We have several kids who's parents attended when they were the age of the kids. Any sites you know of around there we shouldn't miss? According to PC MILER, (trucker program) it's 495 mile from Gatlinburg to St Louis, Mo, but only 465 coming through "Cumberland Gap", So any destination in IL, would be shorter "Through the gap". The "Gap" is the passage way through the mountains that Daniel Booone led 1/4 million people, the old road is closed to traffic, (tunnel) but you can still park/walk into gap, and nice view from the "pinnacle" overlook on top of the mountain, even my house. LOL The Cumberland Gap park is the largest "Historical Park" in the nation, they have a website, get an idea of what to expect. If you decide to come this way, let me know, I'll help with the routing/lodging/whatever, even buy ya'll a cup of coffee. (grin)