Create a New Forum Admin Login Member Login Contribute to Voyager Search VoyForums Help Desk VoyForums Exchange VoyForums Directory/Categories VoyForums Homepage VoyForums News FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions

[ Show ]

Support VoyForums

[ Shrink ]

VoyForums Announcement: Programming and providing support for this service has been a labor of love since 1997. We are one of the few services online who values our users' privacy, and have never sold your information. We have even fought hard to defend your privacy in legal cases; however, we've done it with almost no financial support -- paying out of pocket to continue providing the service. Due to the issues imposed on us by advertisers, we also stopped hosting most ads on the forums many years ago. We hope you appreciate our efforts.

Show your support by donating any amount. (Note: We are still technically a for-profit company, so your contribution is not tax-deductible.) PayPal Acct: Feedback:

Donate to VoyForums (PayPal):

[ Login ] [ Contact Forum Admin ] [ Main index ] [ Post a new message ] [ Search | Check update time | Archives: 1, [2], 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ]

Subject: Thou art the man Author: Hillbilly [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ] Date Posted: 14:59:00 08/28/13 Wed 2 Samuel 12:5,7 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: 7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. "Don't do as I do, do as I say." Along with this adage we may say also; "When you point your finger at someone you have three fingers pointing back at you. David has been exposed by God for his great sin with Bathsheba and Uriah When Nathan comes to David with a analogy of his sin, David becomes very angry and is ready to execute judgment to the fullest extent of the law. "As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: " How often have we been guilty of judging others when we may have done the same or a similar thing? Do we not often hold others to higher standards than we do for ourselves? Ever get mad at someone for being evasive and less than truthful with you? Have you ever been just as evasive with others at times? One of the great excuses for this is "I just didn't want to hurt their feelings." How about; "I just didn't want to start an argument or fight." Truth is truth and a lie is a lie no matter how big or small that lie is it is still a lie. I realize comparing the sin of David with our little "white lies and sins" seems ludicrous but think with me for a moment at the consequence of straying from the straight and narrow in any matter. The sin of Adam brought ruin to paradise and brought the curse of death to all mankind. Compare Adam's sin to David's. Adam was forbidden to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam may have said; "It won't affect anyone but me if I take a bite." "Who is to know anyway other than Eve and she has already tried it and found it to be delicious?" That is like a child caught with his or her hand in the cookie jar after being told no. We might think; "What's the big deal" but to God all sin is worthy of death. It was the sin of Adam and the resultant fall that gave us our inherited sin nature. It was the sin of Adam that nailed Jesus to the cross. Whether it be the sin of adultry and murder as David or the seeming "small sins" we commit a righteous God cannot condone sin. The Bible tells us "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. " (1 Jn. 1:9) David confessed his sin and received forgiveness. That is our example. Confess and don't deny and realize also that when we see others sin we are just as guilty in the eyes of God. "The ground is level at the foot of the cross". [ Next Thread | Previous Thread | Next Message | Previous Message ]

Replies:

[> Subject: Yeah but.... Author: dori [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 12:10:11 08/29/13 Thu Sometimes a little white lie can spare many hurt feelings and smooth the waters. I have been guilty of this more than once. Not telling the whole story is another way I use to keep from having a fight with my hubby. It's not a full-fledged lie--just a sin of omission. It spares us both. Grin....

[> Subject: I am guilty at times Author: Hillbilly [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:23:12 08/29/13 Thu of the same thing. I think perhaps we just don't want a confrontation which we know we would have if we told the complete truth. There are instances in the Bible where even Jesus was evasive with His disciples. he told them he wasn't going up to Jerusalem with them at that time. They left and He soon left secretly for Jerusalem also. John 7:8-10 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. 9 When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. 10 But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

[> [> Subject: Well, THAT'S reassuring, HB Author: dori [ Edit | View ] Date Posted: 15:59:44 08/31/13 Sat I think the truth should always be the first consideration, but sometimes it's just easier for both parties to leave out some of the details. Thanks for making me feel better. 8-)