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Subject: Dan Chap 10 vss 1-7 Post 53


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 09:17:13 12/28/10 Tue

CHAPTER 10



Daniel 10:1-7 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a thing was revealed unto Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar; and the thing was true, but the time appointed was long: and he understood the thing, and had understanding of the vision. 2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled. 4 And in the four and twentieth day of the first month, as I was by the side of the great river, which is Hiddekel; 5 Then I lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a certain man clothed in linen, whose loins were girded with fine gold of Uphaz: 6 His body also was like the beryl, and his face as the appearance of lightning, and his eyes as lamps of fire, and his arms and his feet like in colour to polished brass, and the voice of his words like the voice of a multitude. 7 And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves.

As we enter chapter 10 Daniel is relating events leading up to a vision he sees and understands. His understanding is not based on his own ability but because of the opening of his understanding by the visitor that shows up. In verse 1 we need to take note that for the vision "the time appointed was long". The actual vision is probably the vision related in chapter 11 and if this is true then it will span the ages of the Greek empire on down to Rome. In addition it will have a dual application as many of the events will have a future fulfillment in our time and the time of the tribulation period. As we have discussed in previous studies every thing is set up for a complete fulfillment at Jesus' first coming but all was contingent on whether the Jews accepted their Messiah. Since they, as a nation, rejected, all this will have a future and final fulfillment culminating with the Advent of Jesus as shown in the Book of Revelation. This also ties in with the 2000 year "gap" we just studied in chapter 9 with the 70 weeks prophecy.

The vision takes place in the 3rd year of Cyrus and also in the 1st year of Darius as seen in verse 1 of Chapter 11. There is no ambiguity nor contradiction as this was a dual kingdom (Media-Persia). It should therefore be easy to accept that Cyrus and Darius ruled simultaneously over their respective peoples in this dual kingdom setup.

Daniel is fasting and praying for 3 full weeks and in a state of mourning or lamentation. The visions Daniel has seen have weighed heavily on him as he sees the future events coming on his people. The time of the vision would coincide with the re-building of the Temple in Jerusalem as evidenced by the Book of Ezra in chapter 1. The openly hostile opposition to this rebuilding could be another reason for the "blues" that Daniel was experiencing. What ever the reason, Daniel turns to his God through fasting and prayer. At the end of this 21 days (vs. 2) as Daniel was beside the river Hiddekel; (probably the Tigris) he lifts up his eyes and sees an apparition of a man standing before him. The visage of the man was extraordinary in that he was like no other man ever seen on earth.

The description of his body is "like the beryl". The beryl according to all I have been able to find is a semi-transparent gem stone that can be of several different colors. Some are greenish, some appear as reddish brown, others pink while others might be grayish in color. Some take on a golden or yellow tinged hue with several variations. Daniel's use of the term "like the beryl" to describe the body then is probably a description of translucency more than color. This makes sense due to the Daniel describing the visitor as clothed in linen with his loins girded with fine gold. Notice also that the arms and feet, which were bare, were "like in colour to polished brass". Eyes of fire and face like lightning finises the visual description. Daniel was also impressed by voice and describes his voice was as "the voice of a multitude." All the evidence points to none other than a pre-incarnate visit from the KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS (Rev. 19:16) Daniel's description matches what John saw in Revelation 1:13-15 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot (this will be the pure white linen: Dan. 7:9), and girt about the paps with a golden girdle (the gold of Uphaz). 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire (as Daniel saw); 15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace (an exact match); and his voice as the sound of many waters. (the voice of a multitude sounds as rushing water, rapids or waterfalls)

The reaction from those with Daniel is in line with all who have found themselves in the presence of The Almighty and was the reaction of John when he came face to face with his Lord. Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: Moses felt great fear in His presence: Hebrews 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake.

The sight of our God is so overwhelming that no one can stand in His presence until He gives you permission. Without doubt the One who reveals to Daniel future events is none other than God before the days of His flesh. We therefore can have complete confidence in the words that Daniel pens for our understanding.

Isaiah 46:9-10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, 10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

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[> Subject: Was this a dream or did God appear to him?


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dori
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Date Posted: 22:43:05 12/28/10 Tue

I know he had been praying and fasting, so he would be open to signs from God.
[> [> Subject: It was more than a dream.


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 11:34:59 12/29/10 Wed

This would be on the order of Jesus coming to Paul.

Notice the reaction from those who were with Daniel. If Daniel had been dreaming they would not have been frightened as they were. While the passage uses the word "vision" the word this comes from can also mean appearance.

God appeared to Daniel even if the others could not see Him. Whether you could call this a physical appearance or something on the order of Steven looking into the heavens and seeing Jesus standing at the right side of the Father (Acts 7:55-56) I don't know.

I do know this though. Daniel saw the same person John saw in heaven.
[> [> Subject: I guess I asked because


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dori
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Date Posted: 23:15:57 12/29/10 Wed

Daniel's prophesies came from his dream state and I wondered if he actually had a vision like Paul at Damascus or he saw it in a dream as another prophecy.
[> [> [> Subject: The vision of Christ


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 06:28:22 12/30/10 Thu

and the prophecy were probably two separate events. The prophecy came as visions in his head or dreams if you will but the appearance of the pre-incarnate Christ was to give him better understanding of the vision. He came also to give Daniel strength and courage as we shall see in subsequent verses.

Daniel 10:12 Then said he unto me, Fear not, Daniel: for from the first day that thou didst set thine heart to understand, and to chasten thyself before thy God, thy words were heard, and I am come for thy words.

Daniel had known what he saw but he did not know the implication so God gave him understanding of the very long time frame the vision covered.

In wondering also whether this was a vision or visitation if we look at verse 10 it is clear. Daniel 10:10 And, behold, an hand touched me, which set me upon my knees and upon the palms of my hands.
[> [> [> Subject: That definitely sounds like he was visited


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dori
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Date Posted: 13:05:47 12/30/10 Thu

I have a question for you, but it's not about Daniel. Many times when I'm reading something in the Bible, I don't have a clear idea of who is talking, and a writing Connie sent me yesterday put all sorts of questions in my mind about the Psalms. Did just David write them? And I know the house of David is the origin for Jesus' lineage, but why was David so special? Boy, I'm a mess, Dwight... grin
[> [> [> [> Subject: Writers of Psalms


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 17:10:19 12/30/10 Thu

David wrote most of the Psalms but he didn't write all of them. I would suspect he had all of them compiled but he doesn't claim authorship of all of them.

Asaph, who was a recorder (2 Kings 18:18) and appointed singer (2 Chron. 5:12) wrote many of the Psalms. Psalms 50 and then 73 through 83 are attributed to Asaph

Psalm 90 is a prayer of Moses

While a great many Psalm are not given authorship I would suspect many are David's and Asaph's but it is also probable that there were some other authors that the compiler of Psalm felt worthy to be included in the Book of Psalm.

As to God's special affection to David we have the words of the Lord to Samuel as God told Samuel to anoint the one whom God had chosen to be King over Israel. "the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart."(1 Sam. 16:7)

Acts 13:22 recounts that God called David a man after his own heart.

Even though David messed up a few times he always repented and tried his best to please God. God saw special qualities in David that he looks for in all His children. David indeed was very special to God.
[> [> [> [> [> Subject: Thank you, Hillbilly


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dori
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Date Posted: 19:33:06 12/30/10 Thu

I knew you'd have the answers for me, especially. 8-)
I haven't read 1 Samuel in many many years. I guess I need to reread it, eh?

Did you have a nice Christmas? We had a very enjoyable time with all the kids and the two hubbies. It was one of the best Christmases ever.
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: To tell the truth


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Hillbilly
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Date Posted: 19:59:30 12/30/10 Thu

this Christmas was mostly a bummer. My oldest granddaughter got married and we had to have Christmas early as she was leaving for Norfolk Virginia. Her husband is in the Navy.

My mother in law got salmonella poisoning and has been in the hospital for over 3 weeks. We thought we had lost her a week and a half ago but she seems to be coming around now. Dale is with her and has been from the 1st day she was put in the hospital. She has spent all but 4 nights at the hospital. Her sister from Indiana has come in and spent the last 4 nights with her.

They are presently moving her to re-hab and she is to stay there for a week or two until she gets hers strength back.

Dale is suffering with a bulged disk so is hobbling around quite a bit. I have fixed her a traction to lay in and that is helping when she can get time to lay in it.

Haven't got to see the twins much for these last three weeks so am suffering withdrawel there.

Oh well, maybe next year will be better. God is still on the throne, the sun will still come up tomorrow and all this too shall pass.

I am glad you have had a good Christmas and got to spend that time with your family.

For me to be with my wife, children and grandchildren is the best Christmas there is. Presents don't mean anything to me although I do enjoy giving, especially to my grandchildren.

With Annette, my youngest, and her boys and husband in Montana I expect it will be a rare Christmas that we can all be together again.

While I am at it I pray that you and all that visit here will have a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year.

God bless,
Dwight
[> [> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Hillbilly


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Connie
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Date Posted: 10:52:41 01/01/11 Sat

I am so sorry everything seemed to go wrong for you at what should be a joyful time. Isn't that what happens sometimes though....remember the old saying "It never rains but it pours." We have all had periods like that. I do hope and pray that Dale and her mother regain good health quickly and 2011 will be a good year for all of you. Hugs!
[> [> [> [> [> [> Subject: Awww... that's awful, Dwight!


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dori
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Date Posted: 23:28:12 12/30/10 Thu

I know you're worried that Dale will overdo it with helping her mom, but you probably know she's gonna do it anyway, so just be there for her and maybe you'll just have to tie her down in that traction, huh? *-)
I'm sorry your family is spreading out so far and wide. I know you've always enjoyed having them all together. Don't give up on it happening again. Just make Christmas on any week they can come home for a visit. Doesn't have to be on the day we chose for celebrating Christ's birth, right? And tell the kids you need a twins fix this weekend! 8-)
Well, this old gal is off to bed. Enjoyed talking to you today. I will not leave you again, my friend. Big huggggg....


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